Mantilla

[Evangetholic]

Actually, I'm sorry to go back to this, but the best argument I've read is about the 1917 code of canon law.  Which was abolished by the 1983 code--but canon law isn't the place where the obligation came from in the first place--some of you will passionately disagree with what follows, and I'll say nothing to you in response:

Veiling is a positive command from the New Testament and it is different than the other "disabilities" St Paul imposed on women (the Church's constant practice alleviated the others, I see no evidence that they were ever obeyed in a strict way), but this was a universal norm until about five minutes ago that was interpreted very strictly (so strictly that lowerclass women in Catholic Europe covered the heads not just at Mass, but virtually everywhere until the 20th century).  If it is to be abolished as a requirement (which I do not actually think can be done) then something stronger than widespread modern practice and Rome's silence will be needed.

I solemnly vow to say nothing back in response to this, unless my opinion/thought is sought or someone can show me where a bare head is not merely tolerated, but called acceptable in any Magisterial statement.

*quickly runs away*

[ithinkjesusiscool]

It appears that according to that same chapter it is a "disgrace" for men to nourish their hair. I wonder how Saint Paul feels about how I shampoo my hair twice every time I shower. :P

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=673250

 

Looking good isn't really the point. 

I was trying to be nice....

[Selah]

I don't see what the big deal is. I like my veil. Or babushka, if you prefer. hehe.

[PhuturePriest]

I don't see what the big deal is. I like my veil. Or babushka, if you prefer. hehe.

 

My great-grandmother was German and she had this heavy German accent. My mother said that if she were still alive she would yell at me because I have long thick hair (Not past my ears or anything, but it's not short), and she said her grandmother used to call hair like mine "bushka".

[Autumn Dusk]

My great-grandmother was German and she had this heavy German accent. My mother said that if she were still alive she would yell at me because I have long thick hair (Not past my ears or anything, but it's not short), and she said her grandmother used to call hair like mine "bushka".

 

Dosn't that just mean baby?

[Evangetholic]

babushka is russian for old lady

[PhuturePriest]

Dosn't that just mean baby?

 

I don't know what it means. I just know that she called thick hair "bushka".

[Selah]

My grandmother always called them babushkas....scarves old women wear. lol.

Edited March 4, 2013 by Selah

[franciscanheart]

but canon law isn't the place where the obligation came from in the first place

Whence did it come, if not by canon law? From what I've read, 1917 was the first it was required.


And I'm sorry if this seems completely immature and disrespectful (God knows the disposition of my heart, TYVM), but I think if women are covering their heads, men should, too. Kippahs, anyone?

[ToJesusMyHeart]

Do you awesome girls/women like the mantilla? How does it feel to wear one?

Personally I (i.e a man) think you  look really good with the mantilla...

I wear one. It feels like the right thing to do for me. It helps me focus in Mass and reminds me that I'm on holy ground and Jesus is physically in the room with me. It helps differentiate the extraordinarily holy time and place of the sacrifice of the Mass from the humdrum of everyday life. 

 

I prayed about donning my mantilla for 6 months before actually buying it. It's not something to start doing lightly, in my opinion. It is a beautiful devotion that should have some sort of meaning. 

 

It reminds me of Mary, and it's my goal to imitate her to the best of my ability. But mostly, it helps me stay focused, reverent, and prayerful during the Mass. It is also quite handy because it blocks out my view and allows me to see only what matters most--what is happening in front of me on the altar.

 

Plus the fact that is was a tradition of the Church for hundreds (perhaps thousands?) of years really is appealing to me and I want to continue the traditions of the Church even if they aren't mandated anymore. Tradition has value. :)

[Autumn Dusk]

Whence did it come, if not by canon law? From what I've read, 1917 was the first it was required.


And I'm sorry if this seems completely immature and disrespectful (God knows the disposition of my heart, TYVM), but I think if women are covering their heads, men should, too. Kippahs, anyone?

 

You know what's funny is that after watching a bar and bat mitzfa my friends then 5yo sun became obsessed with wearing a yamacca.  He said that since Jews were his ancestors he was going to wear it when praying because they did.

 

It's funny because his parents are very normative Catholics...his mom dosn't head cover  nor does anyone at their church.

[Nihil Obstat]

You know what's funny is that after watching a bar and bat mitzfa my friends then 5yo sun became obsessed with wearing a yamacca.  He said that since Jews were his ancestors he was going to wear it when praying because they did.

 

It's funny because his parents are very normative Catholics...his mom dosn't head cover  nor does anyone at their church.

Yarmulke?

[PhuturePriest]

Whence did it come, if not by canon law? From what I've read, 1917 was the first it was required.


And I'm sorry if this seems completely immature and disrespectful (God knows the disposition of my heart, TYVM), but I think if women are covering their heads, men should, too. Kippahs, anyone?

 

I'm not opposed to wearing a kippah or something like it. But that goes against Western tradition. In western Tradition, women cover up out of humility (Hiding their beauty), and men take off head coverings when they pray out of humility, which is why you'll see men take off their hats when they are about to pray or enter a church.

[Nihil Obstat]

I'm not opposed to wearing a kippah or something like it. But that goes against Western tradition. In western Tradition, women cover up out of humility (Hiding their beauty), and men take off head coverings when they pray out of humility, which is why you'll see men take off their hats when they are about to pray or enter a church.

I think this is more accurate if we say that it goes against Christian tradition, since that includes Eastern Christianity.

[Era Might]

I think it's unfortunate that women no longer veil, and not because I have any obsession with enforcing rules at church (I try to mind my own business when I'm at church), but I think it's a reflection of the loss of cult in society. We are a thoroughly commercialized and industrialized people, and religion is a privatized affair. I don't dress up when I go to church, so I am not pointing fingers at anyone. I would like to see veils return to church, but I fear it's almost impossible to do without creating a pharasaical atmosphere. I know, because while I would like to dress better when I go to Mass, I have a natural revulsion to becoming one of "those people," and I imagine it's somewhat the same with women and veils.

Edited March 4, 2013 by Era Might