Evangetholic Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 nevermind. no boy girl war. i see it coming. lol i'd still like to see where rome has actually allowed this though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 nevermind. no boy girl war. i see it coming. lol i'd still like to see where rome has actually allowed this though. As I said, it is a never-ending debate here at Phatmass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangetholic Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 shampooing twice daily ain't nourishing babycakes. and it don't say that. yes i called you babycakes. it's awk now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) But it's in the Bible (hence divine law commanded by St Paul inspired by the Holy Ghost), I've honestly never heard of any other positive command of the New Testament that isn't obeyed by the Church. I've looked high and low and I can't find an authoritative source that says women don't have to veil. If it exists, I'll agree with Holy Church and shut up. If it doesn't, then...??? What, are you saying that the Church is wrong on this subject? :hehe2: The Church recognizes that Paul is talking about a particular time and place. In one place Paul talks about women veiling when they prophesy in church, in another he talks about how they have to be silent in church...and aren't allowed to instruct men in matters of the faith. So in light of this, should the Church revoke my theology degree? Disallow women from participating in Adult Faith Formation? Kick out all the nuns who teach in seminaries? No, of course not. Context. Edit: Also I think I remember reading something that said that only prostitutes didn't cover their hair in ancient times. So....I dunno how true that is, but it would make sense that Paul would be telling the women of Corinth (which had loads of problems with bodily sins) to act differently than the "other" kinds of ladies. :) I believe that the scriptural teaching is the Church's teaching, and the lack of veiling by large numbers of women in Western countries is not a valid argument for ignoring the teaching of God found in inspired scripture. :hehe2: ...you're still ignoring what the Catholic Church current says about the subject...that it's optional. :) But we're going to go back and forth forever on this, so I'll quit now. LOL boy girl war. I see you're catching on. :hehe2: Edited March 4, 2013 by Basilisa Marie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangetholic Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Never for even half a second would I accuse Holy Church of holding error. Ever. I'd rather lose my hands than type something like that. If your interpretation of St. Paul vis-a-vis veiling is the Church's Teaching then I fall before the glory of Christ's Will revealed through Holy Mother Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 It's turned into a private devotion, if it works for you, great, if not then great. As long as you aren't playing tetris in church. I'm not a fan of any sort of head covering that's not attached to clothing perminatly...ie hoodie or hood on a coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the171 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I don't wear my veil if my hair doesn't let me. That means almost..... always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 The Church's current stance on veiling some what like communion on the tongue put in a simplistic manner is "you do not have to but I would like you to or you should." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the171 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 The Church's current stance on veiling some what like communion on the tongue put in a simplistic manner is "you do not have to but I would like you to or you should." ummm.... how about not? I do both things, but I'm not going to make other people do it under penalty of sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 ummm.... how about not? I do both things, but I'm not going to make other people do it under penalty of sin. Who said anything about a "penalty of sin"? It is the teaching of scripture and that should be enough without any "threats" of sin by the Roman Church's authorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the171 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I should stop talking now. Not because of y'all, but because of me. I'm bowing out until later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Who said anything about a "penalty of sin"? It is the teaching of scripture and that should be enough without any "threats" of sin by the Roman Church's authorities. But some of the "scriptural teachings" were never meant to be binding documents of faith but were commands used to direct people of the times with implications for future people. Jesus spoke directly to shepards but it doesn't mean that we are sinning by not being a shepard, fisherman or any of the other occupations that have become obsolete. Covering the head was not only a modesty consideration but in the middle east where the sun is hot and the sand can be blown it was a saftey thing. I feel head covering should go the way of not eating lobster and pork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I always liked Nancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 But some of the "scriptural teachings" were never meant to be binding documents of faith but were commands used to direct people of the times with implications for future people. Jesus spoke directly to shepards but it doesn't mean that we are sinning by not being a shepard, fisherman or any of the other occupations that have become obsolete. Covering the head was not only a modesty consideration but in the middle east where the sun is hot and the sand can be blown it was a saftey thing. I feel head covering should go the way of not eating lobster and pork Well, the reasons given for women veiling during the assembly are theological, and as such they do not change, that is, unless you believe that the glory of God and the presence of the holy angels is no longer a part of the Roman Church's liturgy. Personally I believe that both of those things are manifest in the Roman Church's eucharistic worship (whether according to the ordinary or extraordinary form). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Well, the reasons given for women veiling during the assembly are theological, and as such they do not change, that is, unless you believe that the glory of God and the presence of the holy angels is no longer a part of the Roman Church's liturgy. Personally I believe that both of those things are manifest in the Roman Church's eucharistic worship (whether according to the ordinary or extraordinary form). But I don't see it as theological as much it was using religious reasons to differentiate from pagans. ALSO from my understanding that it commands ALL (women and men) to not wear headcovering when praying but social custom did away with manly headcovering to differentiate from the jews in the early centuries. Also, a baseball cap is a headcovering technically, but I'd be thrown out of church for wearing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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