Katholikos Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='May 26 2004, 12:17 PM'] I'm not so sure you are correct. I believe (and no doubt will be POLITELY corrected if I'm wrong) that the Catholic Church recognizes as valid the baptisms of Protestants that are done in the Trinitarian form. Thus those baptized in this way have a place within the Catholic Church (whether they realize it or not). To say they aren't Christians (when the Church says they are) is not only the height of uncharitable, it is disobediant to the Church's teaching. [/quote] It is one thing to belong to the soul of the Church and quite another to belong corporately to the body of the living, organic, dynamic, teaching Catholic Church and to possess the fullness of the Christian Faith and to practice it as it was taught by Christ and the Apostles. Most Protestants are unaware and perhaps would object to belonging to the Catholic Church in any manner or degree whatsoever. Belonging to the soul of the Church does not make one "Catholic." Ave Cor Mariae, Likos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 But being baptised makes you a member of the body of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='May 26 2004, 12:41 PM'] like your ultraconservative catholics, we have our ultraconservative christians... they want to eliminate any possible door for sin. though yes, they choose methods that I would rather not, it would not stop them from entering heaven if they never played cards, never drank, the women never wore pants, or drank. legalistic? maybe... but I can see where they're coming from. oh, and don't worry about them calling you names, they say the same things about other Christians who do the same. God bless. [/quote] Political terms like "liberal" or "conservative" are not applicable to Catholicism. One is either "orthodox" (right believing; conforming to the approved doctrines of the Church) or "unorthodox" (not conforming). Or, one can be said to be heterodox (not in inaccordance with established doctrines). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 you can call it what you want, likos...but I know that the differing groups exist. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='May 26 2004, 01:07 PM'] you can call it what you want, likos...but I know that the differing groups exist. God bless. [/quote] exactly his right LJ. to follow the Church is to be Catholic. to be anything else would not be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 Those who protest the teachings of the Church instituted by Christ are, in a word, protest-ant. A rose, by any other name.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 still grows better when you pile carp on it... hahahaha...jk...well, not really, I mean it DOES grow better with fertilizer... but you know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 Indeed, and the piles of error and heresy of Martin Luther et al have reaped quite a harvest, haven't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 [quote name='amarkich' date='May 27 2004, 03:27 AM'] I have a few comments. One of the early posts referred to "Evangelicals" as Christians (while admonishing the original person who posted not to judge other Christians), but this is not true anymore than saying that Arians are Christians, or Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses for that matter. Heretics cannot be considered Christians. Also, someone mentioned the Protestant stance against drinking, dancing, and Confession. While it is true that there is certainly no sin in drinking as long as it is not to excess and that Confession is necessary for our savlation, you must be aware of the writings of the Saints on every matter. While dancing in itself is not necessarily a sin, it is very easy to be scandalized at dances and by dancing. Saint John Vianney gave a great sermon on this issue. Please visit the link below to read it. I can assure you that almost every dance that is done today would fall under the category of dances about which he was speaking so long ago. God bless. [url="http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/dancing.shtml"]http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/dancing.shtml[/url] [/quote] Pax Iesus [quote]Heretics cannot be considered Christians.[/quote] Thank you, finally someone sees it the Old way of the Church. If Protestants, Fundamentalists are Christians, that opens up the gate to Ana-Baptists, Arians, Arius', Schismatics etc. Ive heard it told that by Priests, Bishops, Catholic Apologetists, Saints, Popes that Catholicism [b]IS[/b] Christianity, its not a sect, or denomination but IS Christianity, yet everytime we accept another form of 'Christian', protestant we deny that we ARE Christianity and were just another sect in a big family of problems, Im sure I dont have to mention the problems outside the Church! Pax Christi Iesus Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Fro Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 [quote name='Anna' date='May 25 2004, 11:46 PM'] Simple: Catholics aren't Christians. They are pagans. They pray before statues, and worship a cookie as God. They don't read the Bible. They need to be born again, baptized in the Holy Spirit, need to receive the gift of tongues, accept Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior, reject those pagan idols of saints and Mary, and get saved! Correct me if I'm wrong.... -_- (oh, yeah, and quit all that drinkin' and dancin' and confessin' to a priest.) Pax Christi. <>< [/quote] Come on, now, you know you're just being silly. All protestants don't believe that, not even all Evangelical denomination Christians believe that. My bible study teacher/worship leader is a member, and believes wholeheartedly in the gift of tongues, and ENCOURAGES dancing during song time. Make a joyful noise to the Lord, after all, and stomp your feet while you're doing it. Also, by sarcastically saying all these things, you are implying that Catholics reject all of them, which is a poor way to go about your arguement. If you don't believe in accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, what is your religion worth? I might add that the Evangelical denomination is a major supporter of international missions. Missionaries are the raddest people ever. They've seen so many things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 to ANYONE I've had this discussion with: [quote]QUOTEÂ Heretics cannot be considered Christians. Thank you, finally someone sees it the Old way of the Church. If Protestants, Fundamentalists are Christians, that opens up the gate to Ana-Baptists, Arians, Arius', Schismatics etc. Ive heard it told that by Priests, Bishops, Catholic Apologetists, Saints, Popes that Catholicism IS Christianity, its not a sect, or denomination but IS Christianity, yet everytime we accept another form of 'Christian', protestant we deny that we ARE Christianity and were just another sect in a big family of problems, Im sure I dont have to mention the problems outside the Church![/quote] this is what I mean... we're not even to be considered Christian, much less a part of the church... so who should I believe? the pre V II? or the post V II Catholics? why even bother to understand each other and try to build for Christ if I'm not even a Christian? you won't convert me, and I know I don't want to convert you... so why am I still here? God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 All right, LJ, one more time ... The views of dissident traditionalists are in no way representative of what the Catholic Church really teaches. When certain people here claim that Protestants aren't Christians and that the Church even teaches that, they're wrong. The Church teaches no such thing. You really should be more quick to listen to those who are loyal to the Church. If you listen to heterodox traditionalists, all that will do is confirm your suspicions about the Church (at least in YOUR mind). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 (edited) [quote name='MorphRC' date='May 27 2004, 02:07 AM'] Pax Iesus Thank you, finally someone sees it the Old way of the Church. If Protestants, Fundamentalists are Christians, that opens up the gate to Ana-Baptists, Arians, Arius', Schismatics etc. Ive heard it told that by Priests, Bishops, Catholic Apologetists, Saints, Popes that Catholicism [b]IS[/b] Christianity, its not a sect, or denomination but IS Christianity, yet everytime we accept another form of 'Christian', protestant we deny that we ARE Christianity and were just another sect in a big family of problems, Im sure I dont have to mention the problems outside the Church! Pax Christi Iesus Paul. [/quote] Baptism makes you a christian. This is a basic tenet of Christianity. THere is no old way or new way, there is only ONE way. The sacramental bond of the unity of Christians CCC 1271 Baptism constitutes the foundation of communion among all Christians, including those who are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church: "For men who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in some, though imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church. Justified by faith in Baptism, [they] are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church."81 "Baptism therefore constitutes the sacramental bond of unity existing among all who through it are reborn."82 So if you want to start spouting something different, understand that the Church does not agree with you. Edited May 27, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 [quote name='Anna' date='May 26 2004, 12:40 PM'] A soon-to-be Catholic couple here on phatmass (who shall remain nameless, ) encountered a bit of difficulty last year when planning their wedding. Their Baptist pastor was reluctant to marry them because they desired to dance at their own wedding reception. I'm not talking pole dancing here! Just plain ol' dancin'. Husband and wife, waltzing, for goo'ness sake. [/quote] Not to be argumentative or get off topic, but.... Said couple ([color=red]whom I love very much[/color] ) knew full well when they joined their church that dancing was not allowed. (and if they didn't, they should have.) And I'm sure as they planned their wedding, they knew this was going to be a problem. That pastor has the obligation to hold them and everyone else in his church to the standards of that congregation. I don't think you would feel the same way if it was a Catholic couple complaining that the priest wouldn't marry them while parachuting from a plane or something... Protestants have standards, too. And even if you don't agree with them, they have their reasons for having them... If said couple didn't like the standards their church taught, they could have done like so many people and gotten married by someone else. (and remember... I [color=red]love[/color] said couple!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Actually, I think that the "Evangelicals", in the process of Catholic bashing, see themselves as evangelizing non-Christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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