Katholikos Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='May 26 2004, 10:52 AM'] if you all believe I think this of you...I would have to say that you ARE wrong. but oh well... God bless. [/quote] Did anyone hear Lumberjack's name mentioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 Hard Core, Evangelical Protestant here.. REPORTING for duty ... SIR!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 WOOOOHOOOOO!!!!! WELCOME BACK BRUCE!!! God bless, brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 [quote name='Katholikos' date='May 26 2004, 11:27 AM'] Did anyone hear Lumberjack's name mentioned? [/quote] No, but all evangelicals were lumped in together. C'mon... not all evengelical Protestants believe in tongues and being baptized in the Holy Spirit... Many evangelicals, while wondering why anyone would want to be Catholic, also maintain that they are Christians (not that we need them to or anything)... but it's just as unfair to catagorize all evengelicals as saying that Catholics worship a cookie as it is for evangelicals to make that assertion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 sweeeet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='May 26 2004, 10:34 AM'] No, but all evangelicals were lumped in together. C'mon... not all evengelical Protestants believe in tongues and being baptized in the Holy Spirit... Many evangelicals, while wondering why anyone would want to be Catholic, also maintain that they are Christians (not that we need them to or anything)... but it's just as unfair to catagorize all evengelicals as saying that Catholics worship a cookie as it is for evangelicals to make that assertion... [/quote] i very much like you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 In whatever we do, whether Catholic or protestant, we should seek to evangelize with love. Without love, you simply drive people away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='May 26 2004, 11:43 AM']i very much like you... [/quote] I just call 'em like I see 'em... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarkich Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 I have a few comments. One of the early posts referred to "Evangelicals" as Christians (while admonishing the original person who posted not to judge other Christians), but this is not true anymore than saying that Arians are Christians, or Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses for that matter. Heretics cannot be considered Christians. Also, someone mentioned the Protestant stance against drinking, dancing, and Confession. While it is true that there is certainly no sin in drinking as long as it is not to excess and that Confession is necessary for our savlation, you must be aware of the writings of the Saints on every matter. While dancing in itself is not necessarily a sin, it is very easy to be scandalized at dances and by dancing. Saint John Vianney gave a great sermon on this issue. Please visit the link below to read it. I can assure you that almost every dance that is done today would fall under the category of dances about which he was speaking so long ago. God bless. [url="http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/dancing.shtml"]http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/dancing.shtml[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 [quote name='amarkich' date='May 26 2004, 11:57 AM'] I have a few comments. One of the early posts referred to "Evangelicals" as Christians (while admonishing the original person who posted not to judge other Christians), but this is not true anymore than saying that Arians are Christians, or Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses for that matter. Heretics cannot be considered Christians. Also, someone mentioned the Protestant stance against drinking, dancing, and Confession. While it is true that there is certainly no sin in drinking as long as it is not to excess and that Confession is necessary for our savlation, you must be aware of the writings of the Saints on every matter. While dancing in itself is not necessarily a sin, it is very easy to be scandalized at dances and by dancing. Saint John Vianney gave a great sermon on this issue. Please visit the link below to read it. I can assure you that almost every dance that is done today would fall under the category of dances about which he was speaking so long ago. God bless. [url="http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/dancing.shtml"]http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/dancing.shtml[/url] [/quote] yes st. john vianney preached greatly on doing only what can be offered up for the greater glory of God. --------------------- as for this thread, lets be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 [quote name='amarkich' date='May 26 2004, 11:57 AM'] I have a few comments. One of the early posts referred to "Evangelicals" as Christians (while admonishing the original person who posted not to judge other Christians), but this is not true anymore than saying that Arians are Christians, or Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses for that matter. Heretics cannot be considered Christians. [/quote] I'm not so sure you are correct. I believe (and no doubt will be POLITELY corrected if I'm wrong) that the Catholic Church recognizes as valid the baptisms of Protestants that are done in the Trinitarian form. Thus those baptized in this way have a place within the Catholic Church (whether they realize it or not). To say they aren't Christians (when the Church says they are) is not only the height of uncharitable, it is disobediant to the Church's teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 Those baptized in the Catholic Church, but fallen away, might also be labelled Christian, but they (like protestant Christians) don't enjoy in its fullness the benefits of the label. Pax Christi. <>< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 [quote name='amarkich' date='May 26 2004, 11:57 AM'] I have a few comments. One of the early posts referred to "Evangelicals" as Christians (while admonishing the original person who posted not to judge other Christians), but this is not true anymore than saying that Arians are Christians, or Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses for that matter. Heretics cannot be considered Christians. Also, someone mentioned the Protestant stance against drinking, dancing, and Confession. While it is true that there is certainly no sin in drinking as long as it is not to excess and that Confession is necessary for our savlation, you must be aware of the writings of the Saints on every matter. While dancing in itself is not necessarily a sin, it is very easy to be scandalized at dances and by dancing. Saint John Vianney gave a great sermon on this issue. Please visit the link below to read it. I can assure you that almost every dance that is done today would fall under the category of dances about which he was speaking so long ago. God bless. [url="http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/dancing.shtml"]http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/dancing.shtml[/url] [/quote] Some Protestant sects teach that the act of dancing is itself a sin. It is not permitted, no matter how it's done. Even attending a ballet performance is sinful. Some sects hold that card-playing is also a sin; it, too, is not permitted. And drinking alcohol in any form at any time is not allowed for any reason, ever. Some teach that women who wear pants or pearls violate "God's law." Anyone who commits such acts is regarded as a sinner. They believe that especially those bingo-playing Catholics with "loose morals" (they dance, play cards, drink wine in Church, the women wear pants and pearls, and violate other "commandments") are doomed to hell. That was Anna's reference. JMJ Likos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 A soon-to-be Catholic couple here on phatmass (who shall remain nameless, ) encountered a bit of difficulty last year when planning their wedding. Their Baptist pastor was reluctant to marry them because they desired to dance at their own wedding reception. I'm not talking pole dancing here! Just plain ol' dancin'. Husband and wife, waltzing, for goo'ness sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 like your ultraconservative catholics, we have our ultraconservative christians... they want to eliminate any possible door for sin. though yes, they choose methods that I would rather not, it would not stop them from entering heaven if they never played cards, never drank, the women never wore pants, or drank. legalistic? maybe... but I can see where they're coming from. oh, and don't worry about them calling you names, they say the same things about other Christians who do the same. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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