Words Matter. Velatio Should Not Be Hijacked By Mantilla-ters Or Hat-t

[ToJesusMyHeart]

Slappo, you rock.

[abrideofChrist]

I see.  Ordain has no meaning.  After all we can use the word " to ordain" to mean "to order".  We can say God ordained that xxxx.  But wouldn't you agree that ordain has a specific theological meaning in both English and Latin?

[EmilyAnn]

I see.  Ordain has no meaning.  After all we can use the word " to ordain" to mean "to order".  We can say God ordained that xxxx.  But wouldn't you agree that ordain has a specific theological meaning in both English and Latin?

The word ordain isn't what is being discussed here. 

[abrideofChrist]

I understand.  but the same arguments that are being used against the word veling for women who are consecrated could be used for the word ordained.  Both have Latin roots.  Both in the past have been used in different contexts.  Both have one primary theological meaning.

The word ordain isn't what is being discussed here. 

 

Others:
 

I have already mentioned that velatio nuptialis was used very briefly for marriage, but that velatio has been used over the centuries to signify the ceremony of consecrating women (religious/virgins).  I can point to papal documents and council of the Church documents to that effect.  Can anyone offer "veiling" from such documents in the sense of women covering their heads themselves actively to go to Church rather than becoming part of the consecrated state? 

Edited March 5, 2013 by abrideofChrist

[EmilyAnn]

I understand.  but the same arguments that are being used against the word veling for women who are consecrated could be used for the word ordained.  Both have Latin roots.  Both in the past have been used in different contexts.  Both have one primary theological meaning.

Lots of words have Latin roots. Doesn't make them relevant. 

 

I have already mentioned that velatio nuptialis was used very briefly for marriage, but that velatio has been used over the centuries to signify the ceremony of consecrating women (religious/virgins).  I can point to papal documents and council of the Church documents to that effect.  Can anyone offer "veiling" from such documents in the sense of women covering their heads themselves actively to go to Church rather than becoming part of the consecrated state?

 

You keep switching between velatio and veiling as if they are the same word. They are not. 

[KnightofChrist]

If the original Greek translated to the Latin can mean head covering, doesn't that pretty shoot down the Latin problem?

[abrideofChrist]

No.  Because you have yet to show that the Church's tradition is to refer to the practice of lay women donning headcoverings as veiling.  A theological term is not always defined by its usage in the Bible but by the centuries of definition.  Thank you.

If the original Greek translated to the Latin can mean head covering, doesn't that pretty shoot down the Latin problem?

 

[KnightofChrist]

No. Because you have yet to show that the Church's tradition is to refer to the practice of lay women donning headcoverings as veiling. A theological term is not always defined by its usage in the Bible but by the centuries of definition. Thank you.

St. Paul didn't distinguish between lay women and religious covering their heads, and the Church's tradition of women covering their heads comes from St. Paul who got it from the Holy Spirit.

[Amppax]

I worded it poorly. My point is, you can't just look at an equivalent word in Latin and determine that the English word should be the same. Firstly, translation is more complicated than that. Secondly, you can't impose a dead language on an evolving one like abrideofchrist is trying to do, it's not that simple. 

 

Agreed.  I apologize for the tone of my post. 

[Fidei Defensor]

You are referring to "veiling" as a noun. Everyone else is referring to "veiling" as a verb. 

[Winchester]

 

[Nihil Obstat]

Next time somebody calls me a pedant, I am linking to this thread.

[Evangetholic]

 

I see what you did there.
 

[Slappo]

I see what you did there.

I think he posted a picture of Old Ben veiling the truth.

[PhuturePriest]

Let it be known that on matters such as this where I have no opinion (Mostly because I have never been bored enough to have an opinion on it), throw my opinion on Slappo's side since we agree on stuff 100% of the time. I can't remember a time where we didn't.