Guest Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) What is the deal with all this ? Does it ever stop ? Is their that many gay bishops and priest in the Church? Its to the point where its becoming a joke. The Church should really consider allowing Priest and even possibly Bishops to marry. Ya Paul says it good to be single but there is plenty of support in the Bible for them being able to marry. Thanks Phatmass for allowing me to vent. Hope everyone is having a good Lent. Godbless. Edited March 2, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyAnn Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangetholic Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Bishops in the Early Church, maybe not the Apostolic Church, but still very early did not live in sexual relationships with their wives. They owned marriage, but did not use marriage. Celibacy is a good and desirable discipline, but it can and might change for diocesan priests. It's still no guarantee against scandal though. And I feel your frustration, but please do not give in to the culture's anti-celibacy narrative. (I reiterate, quietly, my objection to describing grown men having sex with children [yes children] as "homosexual" scandal.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) I hear ya pham but I'm just sayin...Its getting really old hearing about all this homosexual scandal...It never stops...I think it would be good for the Church to allow marriage...The Bible says Bishops can be married...There is nothing wrong with a Priest having a wife and kids...Ya his cross may be heavier and he may have more on his plate but thats ok...We need to get all these homosexuals out of the Church that are Priest and Bishops...This post is not attack on gay people but I am beyond tired of hearing about all their scandals in the Church... Edited March 2, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I just read a few days ago another Bishop had to step down because it came out he's homosexual and involved in scandals...I'm all for standing behind the Church and Christ on the whole homosexual acts are sin and gay marriage isn't real marriage...But when all this scandal never stops and it ALWAYS has to do with the person being a homosexual its a joke...Let straight men in and let them marry if they want...And you'll still have single Priest...But mabey it will weed out these homosexuals who for some reason flock to this calling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangetholic Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) A heart that loves Jesus and the Church cannot help but feel pain as sons of the Church, our fathers, cause Her to be covered in shame before men's eyes. But the wheat grows up with the chaff. Horror of sin is a mark of a converted soul and an enlightened conscience, but there is no escape. If the Church is to be made up of human beings there will always be reasons to be troubled, until the Bridegroom comes. Heterosexuality lacks the disordered nature of homosexuality, but heterosexuals do not, as it were, occupy some higher spiritual plain through which they can protect the Church from the consequences of the fall. The Church's problem is that human nature itself is disordered. Possibly as much as 20% of priests are homosexual the vast majority of these men take the priesthood seriously, the Church has taken measures to prevent the ordination of immature homosexual males with a poorly ideated sexual identity and who do not believe as she does regarding the sinfulness of homosexual acts, but she has not yet begun and is not likely to begin some kind of witch hunt against her own priests for their interior sexual dispositions. And I love that you love God and the Church DB. Edited March 2, 2013 by Evangetholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oremoose Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I really do not think that the percentage of priests whom engage in these scandal are a large percentage of the entire populace of the Priesthood. It is that the minority that get more press of the majority. As a young adult that has discerned hard about the priesthood. I can not see marriage and the priesthood mixing. It is two separate vocations, two separate lifestyles. And if men feel called to be a priest and don't because they can't have sex. it is not the Vocations fault it is the man's fault for not taking up the cross of the priesthood and cowering because he can't have sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) Godbless you both and I see your point of view...I see things a little different...But do see and respect both of your point of views... And I'm sorry but I do lump the child abuse thing in with the homosexual problem...Just being blunt and keeping it real I think its the same...I know some or mabey even most will say I'm wrong...Its just how I see it... And Oremoose props bro on discerning the Priesthood...Godbless you big whatever path you go... Edited March 2, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Well, marriage would only "help" those priests who are attracted to women. If they're attracted to men, marriage won't help them. Plus, I mean, think about how hard it would be for his wife and family...not only would the kids have all the pressures that protestant "preacher's kids" have to be perfect, but the priest is always "on-call." His wife might hardly see him. It'd be a huge burden for him and his family, and really it would be really hard for him to balance enough time to be the best priest and husband/father he could be. So what I'm saying is that practically speaking, married priests would cause way more problems than they'd solve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangetholic Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 When you call the current scandal a homosexual one you are following the practice of the Vatican. There's nothing necessarily wrong with doing so--I just think it's inaccurate and cannot help but sound to many people like deflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Well the reason I started this thread cause I just seen another Bishop had to step down because of homosexual scandal...So I came to phatmass and started ranting cause its the only catholic website I go too...My other option was facebook but that's not a good idea...I shouldn't of started this thread out of frustration but I did...I'm tired of always hearing the media report all this homosexual scandal going on in the Church...It never stops...And I don't even think the media is being bias...There's just that much of this crap going on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 The early Church did have married bishops, and some of those bishops had children after their elevation to the episcopate (e.g., the father of St. Gregory of Nazianzus). The Eastern Churches only restricted the office of bishop to monastics at the Quinisext Council, while in the same canons affirming the right of presbyters and deacons to live with their wives and to continue conjugal relations subject only to the marital fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Marie I just think it would put the Church in a better light to non Catholics and the world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 . . . Plus, I mean, think about how hard it would be for his wife and family...not only would the kids have all the pressures that protestant "preacher's kids" have to be perfect, but the priest is always "on-call." His wife might hardly see him. It'd be a huge burden for him and his family, and really it would be really hard for him to balance enough time to be the best priest and husband/father he could be. So what I'm saying is that practically speaking, married priests would cause way more problems than they'd solve. The Eastern Churches have had married clergy for 2,000 years and seem to be able to make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Wish I could give that a 1000 props Apotheoun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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