Papal Resignation Linked To Hidden Homosexual Network?

[xTrishaxLynnx]

:doh:

 

How quickly this became a discussion about Voris and fisheaters/antisemitism and nothing to do with the OP.

[Evangetholic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMZgVLc8yLY

[xTrishaxLynnx]

You're not helping. :|

[Luigi]

We've known for some time now about the pedophile activity in the Church in America. Actually, the scandals involve very few priests, but they did a lot of damage over a long period of time. I don't want to get into a discussion of that here, because this OP focuses more on homosexuals and their leadership positions in the Church.

 

I know a guy who studied at the North American College in Rome, back in the 70's I think. He maintains that they used to have a sign hanging in the main entrance that said something like: No Overtly Homosexual Activity Permitted. Which, to him, indicated that:

1. There was a problem with homosexual activity in the seminary;

2. The seminary leadership knew of it;

3. The seminary leadership didn't kick out the active homosexuals or send them back to the States;

4. Covert homosexual activity was still permitted.

The guy I know eventually dropped out of the seminary and got married.

 

In my own diocese, there is a sizeable number of gay diocesan priests. One of them was the brother of a guy I know - the priest (my friend's brother) died of pneumonia in June (that's a euphemism for AIDS). I didn't go to his wake, but another friend did - she came back absolutely aghast, saying, "I had no idea there were so many gay priests in the diocese!" But they all turned out for this wake and apparently made no effort to be discreet in their actions. Recently, there has been a pretty complete turnover in the leadership of the diocesan seminary, and some people say that's an effort to weed out the homosexual administration in the seminary ...  but I don't actually know.

 

I heard rumors about the sexual orientation of a former archbishop; those who told me the rumors thought that's why the homosexuals were running the seminary. Again, I don't know, but it does start to look like a pattern, and it would explain some things logically.

 

Sean Cardinal O'Brien, the highest ranking prelate in Scotland, resigned over allegations of inappropriate behavior with other priests, and I was surprised by the speed with which he submitted his resignation (although he was nearly 75 already). He denied the claims, but I wouldn't say they were strong denials, either.

 

Admittedly, neither my diocese, its seminary, the North American College, nor Edinburgh equate to the Vatican. But those examples do indicate that homosexuals have been in the priesthood for some time - long enough to work their way up to high levels of administration in the local seminary and in the North American College back in the 70's, and to the top of the diocesan administration of Edinburgh more recently. If that's true, then it's entirely possible that homosexuals clerics have achieved positions of leadership in other areas, even areas as large as nations, and of course Italy is a nation, which supplies a lot of the Vatican staff.

 

In other words, as much as I would hate to know it, I won't be shocked if it comes out that there's a homosexual mafia in the Vatican. But I don't believe Benedict XVI was involved with it at all (other than having to deal with those in positions of authority).

Edited March 1, 2013 by Luigi

[Evangetholic]

You're not helping. :|

 

I'm being deliberately obstructionist.

[Noel's angel]

We've known for some time now about the pedophile activity in the Church in America. Actually, the scandals involve very few priests, but they did a lot of damage over a long period of time. I don't want to get into a discussion of that here, because this OP focuses more on homosexuals and their leadership positions in the Church.

 

I know a guy who studied at the North American College in Rome, back in the 70's I think. He maintains that they used to have a sign hanging in the main entrance that said something like: No Overtly Homosexual Activity Permitted. Which, to him, indicated that:

1. There was a problem with homosexual activity in the seminary;

2. The seminary leadership knew of it;

3. The seminary leadership didn't kick out the active homosexuals or send them back to the States;

4. Covert homosexual activity was still permitted.

The guy I know eventually dropped out of the seminary and got married.

 

In my own diocese, there is a sizeable number of gay diocesan priests. One of them was the brother of a guy I know - the priest (my friend's brother) died of pneumonia in June (that's a euphemism for AIDS). I didn't go to his wake, but another friend did - she came back absolutely aghast, saying, "I had no idea there were so many gay priests in the diocese!" But they all turned out for this wake and apparently made no effort to be discreet in their actions. Recently, there has been a pretty complete turnover in the leadership of the diocesan seminary, and some people say that's an effort to weed out the homosexual administration in the seminary ...  but I don't actually know.

 

I heard rumors about the sexual orientation of a former archbishop; those who told me the rumors thought that's why the homosexuals were running the seminary. Again, I don't know, but it does start to look like a pattern, and it would explain some things logically.

 

Sean Cardinal O'Brien, the highest ranking prelate in Scotland, resigned over allegations of inappropriate behavior with other priests, and I was surprised by the speed with which he submitted his resignation (although he was nearly 75 already). He denied the claims, but I wouldn't say they were strong denials, either.

 

Admittedly, neither my diocese, its seminary, the North American College, nor Edinburgh equate to the Vatican. But those examples do indicate that homosexuals have been in the priesthood for some time - long enough to work their way up to high levels of administration in the local seminary and in the North American College back in the 70's, and to the top of the diocesan administration of Edinburgh more recently. If that's true, then it's entirely possible that homosexuals clerics have achieved positions of leadership in other areas, even areas as large as nations, and of course Italy is a nation, which supplies a lot of the Vatican staff.

 

In other words, as much as I would hate to know it, I won't be shocked if it comes out that there's a homosexual mafia in the Vatican. But I don't believe Benedict XVI was involved with it at all (other than having to deal with those in positions of authority).

Actually, Cardinal O'Brien had already handed in his resignation BEFORE the claims were made; he just decided it would take immediate effect rather than waiting the month or so until he turns 75.

[mortify]

We've known for some time now about the pedophile activity in the Church in America...

 

 

Brother, read up on actual studies that surveyed the situation. Pedophilia was not the problem.

[mortify]

You probably are to anyone who uses the pejorative "libs" to describe those they disagree with.
 

 

Interesting how some get so uppity over "libs" but throw around pejorative terms of their own, e.g. Trads, Neocaths, etc.

[Basilisa Marie]

This thread needs ponies. 

[BG45]

Interesting how some get so uppity over "libs" but throw around pejorative terms of their own, e.g. Trads, Neocaths, etc.

Perhaps you could show me where I've used such terms if I'm being "uppity"?

 

As for Trisha's point about straying from the OP; we're a church of human beings.  If God wanted His Church to be run by a perfect being, Jesus would have made the Second Coming millenia ago.  Scandals are nothing new, be they true or false.  I personally choose to believe that an 85 year old man is telling the truth that he is no longer healthy enough to continue working 18 hour days. 

[Gabriela]

Poignant disctinction but don't you see that to do that is to already engage in antisemitism?

 

FYI: There are ultra-Orthodox Jews who object to Zionism. So no, being anti-Zionist does not necessarily assume or entail antisemitism.

[HisChildForever]

Why does it seem that homosexual behavior is more rampant than heterosexual among clergy? There are how many scandals now with clergy and gay lovers, but I never hear about a priest with a mistress. Granted, I'm not exactly in-the-know with these scandals, I tend to not pay much attention...is this media bias or something else?

[4588686]

Well, not to put too fine a point on it but this is an group of men who get social prestige for forswearing the pleasures of female company and focusing on events that involve a lot of pomp, ceremony, and fancy dress.

[HisChildForever]

Well, not to put too fine a point on it but this is an group of men who get social prestige for forswearing the pleasures of female company and focusing on events that involve a lot of pomp, ceremony, and fancy dress.

 

Har har.

 

Anyway, I'm sure the number of heterosexuals in the hierarchy is higher than the number of homosexuals. In other words, shouldn't there be a greater probability of heterosexual activity, just by looking at the numbers? Oh and just for the record, I don't believe that homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to be promiscuous, so that doesn't even enter into the equation for me. That's why I was wondering if this was more a media bias issue. After all, the media would create more of a stir with Catholic-Church-that-hates-gays-is-full-of-gay-love headlines.

[4588686]

I'm not totally kidding. I don't think that most Priests are gay but it wouldn't surprise me if proportionally there were more gay men in the Priesthood than in the general population. Gay men tend to have more sex that heterosexual or lesbian couples so I don't think that this is totally surprising. Also, the environment is kind of set of for bi-curious exploration. I know an Iranian expatriate who told me that Shia clerical school have a similar reputation in Iran.

Edited March 2, 2013 by Hasan