Madiesensei Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Oh my gosh! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 Oh goodness Madiesensei, this is absolutely not your fault. I'm argumentative and bitter, and Nihil and the rest are argumentative and wrong. :) Nihil, sounds like a personal problem. :hehe2: Nah, in all seriousness, I'm peeved because I explain why I find one specific Voris video problematic, because his video has (potentially unintended) harmful effects on faithful (and not so faithful) Catholics, because the way peoples' words are received matters and can result in genuine pastoral problems. My argument's basically ignored because it involves "feelings" and not facts. EmilyAnn writes up a list of general problems with many of Voris' videos in another thread, and she's written off for not citing a specific video. Evangetholic comes along and posts a list of general problems with many of Voris' videos that includes an account of his own experience of perceiving his messages in a negative way, and he's praised for making a reasonable argument. What the what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the171 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Voris is anti-feminist. That's all I said. So, I can see why people didn't respond to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I've only seen one so far and it seems really...Like, out there you know? Yeah, he tends to be rather hyperbolic. I agree with many, perhaps most of his issues, but I often think his ideas for solutions are farfetched or wrongheaded. That is fine though. These days more and more I enjoy hearing perspectives that force me to come up with intelligent responses. That is what I used to legit look like until I was like 20. I should have made them bigger. It was going to start to require lots of airbrushing though, and I hate airbrushing. Voris is anti-feminist. That's all I said. So, I can see why people didn't respond to that. If you show me specific quotes I will come up with some response. But if you are looking for someone to defend Voris unconditionally, you will prefer to look elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madiesensei Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Yeah, he tends to be rather hyperbolic. I agree with many, perhaps most of his issues, but I often think his ideas for solutions are farfetched or wrongheaded. That is fine though. These days more and more I enjoy hearing perspectives that force me to come up with intelligent responses. I should have made them bigger. It was going to start to require lots of airbrushing though, and I hate airbrushing. If you show me specific quotes I will come up with some response. But if you are looking for someone to defend Voris unconditionally, you will prefer to look elsewhere. That's what I was saying oh gosh to when you put that picture up. It caught me by surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 That's what I was saying oh gosh to when you put that picture up. It caught me by surprise. That is what we call the element of surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I think Evange's post was much more reasonable, thoughtful, and specific than either yours or Emily's. Or, would you rather I say that I feel it was more reasonable, thoughtful, and specific? :| For yours, I simply think you were making a very big deal over a fairly standard position of his. For Emily's I was rather put off by its vagueness. Really. Explain to me how Evange's is more specific than mine, when I mined a silly video for exact, problematic quotes and explained why they are offensive to me. So what if it's a fairly standard position? If I had a fairly standard position that the Latin mass was stupid, you'd be up in arms in about two seconds ripping me a new one every time I brought it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nihil Obstat Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Really. Explain to me how Evange's is more specific than mine, when I mined a silly video for exact, problematic quotes and explained why they are offensive to me. So what if it's a fairly standard position? If I had a fairly standard position that the Latin mass was stupid, you'd be up in arms in about two seconds ripping me a new one every time I brought it up. No, yours was specific enough. I just thought you were making a really big deal out of something that did not deserve it. It is a debate that we have done to death on this board, and while you are well within your rights to take offense at his positions, I do not really find it to be all that remarkable. I would certainly disagree vehemently if you called the traditional Mass stupid, but I would not be personally offended unless you also called me mentally unstable and pitiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madiesensei Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Is it wrong for me to think, that when I hear about past scandles or things that have gone wrong in the church or christianty in its self that..I think that we're all human and we're not christ, we are called to be holy and pure, but unfortunately we will never be perfect. When I see these things, I really hope they see what's wrong with what they did and repented but, I forgive them and love them still...I don't let those negative things validate my faith and love for christ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 Really. Explain to me how Evange's is more specific than mine, when I mined a silly video for exact, problematic quotes and explained why they are offensive to me. So what if it's a fairly standard position? If I had a fairly standard position that the Latin mass was stupid, you'd be up in arms in about two seconds ripping me a new one every time I brought it up. I love an angry feminist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Oh goodness Madiesensei, this is absolutely not your fault. I'm argumentative and bitter, and Nihil and the rest are argumentative and wrong. :) The other issue is that this second sentence is objectively incorrect. I am not wrong. I am argumentative and bored. With a touch of directionless anger which has no socially acceptable outlet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 No, yours was specific enough. I just thought you were making a really big deal out of something that did not deserve it. It is a debate that we have done to death on this board, and while you are well within your rights to take offense at his positions, I do not really find it to be all that remarkable. I would certainly disagree vehemently if you called the traditional Mass stupid, but I would not be personally offended unless you also called me mentally unstable and pitiable. But the thing is, so what if you don't find it that remarkable? I find it offensive enough to remark on, and that's enough for it to be a topic for discussion. I'm not finding a problem with receiving communion on the tongue while kneeling - I'm finding a problem with how Voris specifically connects receiving in the hand while standing with heresy and excommunication. It's representative of the greater issue I have with most of his work - I find it lacking in charity and seems to easily lead people astray. And like I said before, I wasn't even asking for people to agree with me. I was just asking for people to see how I can take such offense to what he's saying...and even that was denied. With a touch of directionless anger which has no socially acceptable outlet. Oh, you too? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangetholic Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cbGCQyP_uk Edited February 27, 2013 by Evangetholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madiesensei Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 nm. youtube disabled embedding. Was that a response to my question? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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