"the Catholic Church Can’t Change." The Washington Post

[StMichael]

Of course you don't. You are predisposed to assuming much.

 

Murders, rapists, etc. are all made in God's image. But all are given free will. Free to do as He asks and free to not do as he asks.

 

Those engaging in the act of homosexuality have chosen to act against His word. How this is so difficult for you to understand is baffling.

 

I am unwavering when it comes to the simple black and white. The act of homosexuality is a mortal sin. What more do we need to discuss?

 

 

No. I don't quite think that's it. I think you, like many Christians, have fallen into an uncharitable and inflexible hardness of heart. I think based on your posts here and in various other threads that you are most likely an unkind man and that the number of walls you've thrown up between human beings and God via your neo-Conservative ramblings is probably unfathomable. I said it on the other thread we interacted on and now I must say it again: Jesus Christ, Almighty God, is Sovereign King of the Universe, not some republican poster boy for every mean-spirited, rude, loud, right wing cause on the earth. Gay people are made in God's image. I have no problem calling homosexual behavior a very grave sin, but not nearly as grave as you brandishing your irrational, flat-earth, John Birch Society ravings as if they came from God. Your way of communicating on this site, and I suspect in life, harms the work of reconciling a damned and dying  World to the Cross.

 

Edited February 17, 2013 by StMichael

[Evangetholic]

It would not be accurate to interpret my non-response as an endorsement of your statements StMichael or even of your sanity.

[StMichael]

I think you would do yourself some good by not looking to eek out of logic by hurling insults.

 

My sanity or lack thereof has little to do with this. 

 

The Roman Catholic Church has a position on this, has had a position on this for over 2,000 years. Please tell me what faith exists that believes one is to forego their faith to comfort the sinner in their sin? 

 

To spread the word of God is not to abandon it for the wants of the sinner. Especially when they want to sin loudly.

 

 

It would not be accurate to interpret my non-response as an endorsement of your statements StMichael or even of your sanity.

 

[Evangetholic]

Your willingness to twist words is astonishing to me. You're not very skillful about it, but you make up in boldness what you lack in skill. Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgendered human beings are not in my opinion fit objects for abusive speech and the ravings of madmen. I agree with the assertions the Catechism of the Catholic Church makes about them. This is enough to make me a homophobe in this world's eyes--but I find you crass, vulgar, embarrassing, and frightening (not just on this subject, but generally). I think you use words in abusive and Satanic ways. I think you are damaging the good name of Jesus Christ. If the Catholic Church's teachings bear even the slightest resemblance to your teachings then she is in deep error.  

 

 

[StMichael]

Exactly what words are getting twisted in your mind?

 

And in true Alinskyian mode, you attack. 

 

No one raving like a mad man, or hurling abusive speech, but being I have your number, any push back on the issue is incorrectly deemed abusive.

 

And how have we gone from attraction to the same sex (mortal sin) to those who can't decide which sex they like to someone who wants to dress up like the opposite sex? Each of these of their own specific issues, some based in psychological issues but all are not in communion with ANY Church.

 

What are you referencing with "my teachings?" I am a sinner. I am a Roman Catholic. And I am not wishy washy about it all.

 

 

Your willingness to twist words is astonishing to me. You're not very skillful about it, but you make up in boldness what you lack in skill. Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgendered human beings are not in my opinion fit objects for abusive speech and the ravings of madmen. I agree with the assertions the Catechism of the Catholic Church makes about them. This is enough to make me a homophobe in this world's eyes--but I find you crass, vulgar, embarrassing, and frightening (not just on this subject, but generally). I think you use words in abusive and Satanic ways. I think you are damaging the good name of Jesus Christ. If the Catholic Church's teachings bear even the slightest resemblance to your teachings then she is in deep error.  

 

[Evangetholic]

I didn't merely call you abusive sir, I've all but called you a servant of the devil.

[Evangetholic]

Alinkskyian? Is this what the voices tell you?

Google returns Saul Alinsky????

What now I'm a secular Jewish progressive mole? lol (I am of a significant degree of Jewish ancestry if you add antisemitism to your crimes, but I'm neither socially nor politically liberal. I just think you're not a nice man and that insofar as you wear my Lord's name you ought at least pretend to be nice.)

Edited February 17, 2013 by Evangetholic

[Evangetholic]

Or since he worked in the ghettoes during the bad old days (Civil Rights Movement) is this some kind of Negro baiting (again)? (Sorry to disappoint neither me nor any of my kin have been near anything that someone might call a ghetto, outside of the Jewish ones in Eastern Europe.)

[StMichael]

It has been you that has hurled anger, insults my way since you have come on this forum. So take your own advice as I have overlooked your short comings.

 

Rules for Radicals (one of Hasan's "bibles"):

 

 

• RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
• RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
• RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
• RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
• RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
• RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
• RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
• RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
• RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
• RULE 10: "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is the unceasing pressure that will result in the reaction of the opposition that is essential for the success of the campaign.
• RULE 11: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
• RULE 12: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
• RULE 13: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

 

So, in our exchange, you have used rule 4, 5, 10 and 13. 

 

And please stop with the manufactured outrage. 

 

 

 

Alinkskyian? Is this what the voices tell you?

Google returns Saul Alinsky????

What now I'm a secular Jewish progressive mole? lol (I am of a significant degree of Jewish ancestry if you add antisemitism to your crimes, but I'm neither socially nor politically liberal. I just think you're not a nice man and that insofar as you wear my Lord's name you ought at least pretend to be nice.)

 

[Evangetholic]

OK a while spent on the interwebz has told me that my first urge was correct. I am not whatever insane neo-con conspiracy theory bogeyman you think me to be. I am Christian with no particular interest in politics, governments, etc. My sole concern is to die and go to Heaven, hopefully helping many others get there as well. Not to participate in the futile effort of trying to perfect the world via human effort. The best political descriptors of me are: monarchist, distributist, libertarian, and paleo-conservative.

[Evangetholic]

And as for my very real and probably sinful antagonism towards you, it's simple. You keep saying things I find disgusting.

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[4588686]

Rules for Radicals (one of Hasan's "bibles"):

 

I've never read Alinsky.  But go and see if Glen Beck has anymore talking points to spoon feed you :/

[ardillacid]

I've never read Alinsky.  But go and see if Glen Beck has anymore talking points to spoon feed you :/

 

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Rule 15: Question the sexual preferences of your opponent

Rule 16: You cannot divide by zero

[4588686]

Rule 15: Question the sexual preferences of your opponents

I'm not questioning anything. I am a licensed psychiatrist. And I am making a judgement as a qualified professional.