"the Catholic Church Can’t Change." The Washington Post

[add]

And what about that suggests that I don't think that the Church has a legal right to advocate their awful view about how the state should take a poo on gay couples?

The Church can advocate their bigoted and awful position and then I get to say, 'hey, that's really floopied up and you should stop advocating that awful idea.' I'm not trying to get the state to smash their freedoms then way they are advocating the state floopy with the lives of gay people.

man made laws are Arbitrary, the Catholic Church teaches God's law. God's law is universal and everlasting.
You have the free will to follow the path to happiness or not. Edited February 15, 2013 by add

[thessalonian]

The argument that gay marriage will somehow lead to pedophilia is a bunch of poo.  Let's see one hurts children, the other hurts no one.  What part of "What goes on between two consenting adults is nobody's business" don't you understand? 

 

Poo to you too.  What part of what was not okay long ago is okay today don't you understand.  Gee the Greeks and Romans had young male consorts, but it is just not possible today?  Oh yes we know that everyone is against it today.  I did not say legalizaing gay marriage would lead to it in a direct way, which is what you are implying.  though I am afraid that gay men do molest young males.  Fact.  Heterosexual men do not.  So it is not the wife's business if the husband has sex with another person, male or female?  You say it is nobody's business.  It is none of his kids business if he is cheating on their mother???  What part of poo to you don't you understand.  Have a nice day.  Hell is real and many will go there.  I hope you don't for taking this approach to life where  the salvation of souls is not important.  Have a nice day.

And what about that suggests that I don't think that the Church has a legal right to advocate their awful view about how the state should take a poo on gay couples?

 

The Church can advocate their bigoted and awful position and then I get to say, 'hey, that's really floopied up and you should stop advocating that awful idea.'  I'm not trying to get the state to smash their freedoms then way they are advocating the state floopy with the lives of gay people.  

 

If people go to hell because of your advocating what is an abomination to God, you will most likely go with them.  Hell is a real place.  you aren't going to get a good tan there.  I would rather be considered a bigot by the likes of you than cater to men and end up spending an eternity with them.

[r2Dtoo]

Poo to you too.  What part of what was not okay long ago is okay today don't you understand.  Gee the Greeks and Romans had young male consorts, but it is just not possible today?  Oh yes we know that everyone is against it today.  I did not say legalizaing gay marriage would lead to it in a direct way, which is what you are implying.  though I am afraid that gay men do molest young males.  Fact.  Heterosexual men do not.  So it is not the wife's business if the husband has sex with another person, male or female?  You say it is nobody's business.  It is none of his kids business if he is cheating on their mother???  What part of poo to you don't you understand.  Have a nice day.  Hell is real and many will go there.  I hope you don't for taking this approach to life where  the salvation of souls is not important.  Have a nice day.

 

If people go to hell because of your advocating what is an abomination to God, you will most likely go with them.  Hell is a real place.  you aren't going to get a good tan there.  I would rather be considered a bigot by the likes of you than cater to men and end up spending an eternity with them.

This post is a great example of Christian charity failing to show up in debates. 

[4588686]

If people go to hell because of your advocating what is an abomination to God, you will most likely go with them. Hell is a real place. you aren't going to get a good tan there. I would rather be considered a bigot by the likes of you than cater to men and end up spending an eternity with them.

If God were real then he'd have plenty of better reasons to send me to hell than my stance on the proper role of the state in the institution of marriage. Edited February 15, 2013 by Hasan

[Winchester]

If God were real then he'd have plenty of better reasons to send me to he'll than my stance on the propped role of the state in the institution of marriage.

Send you to he will?

[thessalonian]

This post is a great example of Christian charity failing to show up in debates. 

 

Ever heard of tuff love?  Your idea of charity is the rodney king version. Can't we all just get along.  I said nothing in that post I am ashamed of.  Admonish the sinner is a corporal work of mercy.    God bless and Have a nice day.  I will include you and Hasan in my prayers this weekend and at Mass.

[Kateri89]

I think this thread has digressed from the original post...

 

Good article.

[Era Might]

I have "Old Man River" going through my head now. :(

 

Is Old Man River like the River of Dreams? If it is it must be awesome, because Billy Joel = Greatest.

[mortify]

Cultures tend to swing between Apollonian and Dionysian currents and we happen to be living in very Dionysian times. The Church sits as a fortress gaurding its treasure, or as a vessel in turbulent seas. She does not and can not change in substance. Sadly our friends who don't understand seek to morph her into their image, but their image is nothing more than a transitional form that will soon fade into history. When the sun sets on the American empire and new forms of cultural experiments take place that make our contemporary ones seem modest, the Church will still be there, shining light as she has alwasy done.

Edited February 16, 2013 by mortify

[Evangetholic]

If God were real then he'd have plenty of better reasons to send me to hell than my stance on the proper role of the state in the institution of marriage.

 

This is very true and illustrates one of my discomforts with the Organized Church--in all of its various forms. I do not see attempting to turn non-Christians from particular sins as Biblical. Church and State are not the same--they are not going about the same business, or at least shouldn't be. It does not seem to me that it's any business of mine to try to persuade the general society to live by Christian morality. My first task is to "preach Christ crucified," not to engage in some culture war (abortion might be different because it involves the death of children). And in case if anyone is confused by what I mean, I'll say it explicitly: gay marriage (or gay sex for that matter) is not the reason the jaws of Hell will swallow most men, rejection of Jesus Christ as the Savior is.

 

Not much point in responding to me. I do not debate the brethren about these matters.

Edited February 16, 2013 by Evangetholic

[StMichael]

The part that gays are trying to make it everyone's business. 

 

It is a mortal sin to engage in homosexuality, therefore no matter how much "equality" they scream for, it is certain their household is absent of God, the teachings, etc.

 

Wrong is wrong. What is that saying, oh yeah, you can't make a wrong a right.

 

The argument that gay marriage will somehow lead to pedophilia is a bunch of poo.  Let's see one hurts children, the other hurts no one.  What part of "What goes on between two consenting adults is nobody's business" don't you understand? 

 

[StMichael]

What is accepted is not acceptable.

 

Up until the AIDS awareness of the 80's, being gay was as it should be, shunned, kept quiet, etc. There was a respect for the true natural order of life. When AIDS hit, with the quilts, etc. it became ok, we pray for you, you don't have to hide, we want to help, etc. That then became, and from many parents of gays, lets change culture to not only except this choice, but elevate it.

 

It is funny about this whole marriage thing. Up until the late 1880's the federal government had no involvement in marriage whatsoever, completely a religious sacrament. They, the government, acknowledged marriage to ensure the wife or husband would be next of kin, etc.

 

How we went from the government acknowledging a religious sacrament to now a demand that the faith acknowledge a dysfunctional union is on its face insane.

 

 

But isn't that the crux of the matter in homosexuality that two adults can have a sexual relationship and call it marriage?  

 

The laws regarding the criminal prosecution of the punishment of  physical sex acts of minors have been beaten back.  The focus has become on frivolousness things that can be better document.  It's on tangible items rather than sexual acts.

 

Parents and society would of greatly punished and shamed teen sex.  (unfortunately mostly women bore the brunt of the punishment) Now, it's everywhere you turn.

 

I don't believe that my synopsis is off base.  Gay behavior was never considered ok and began to be accepted in the 70's (free love) and 80's and in 30 years is now normative through the use of TV.   Polygamous behavior has about 10-20 years to go but it's getting there.

 

[4588686]

The part that gays are trying to make it everyone's business. 

 

It is a mortal sin to engage in homosexuality, therefore no matter how much "equality" they scream for, it is certain their household is absent of God, the teachings, etc.

 

Wrong is wrong. What is that saying, oh yeah, you can't make a wrong a right.

 

 

I know.  It's so obnoxious of them to make the attempts of people like you to floopy with them a big deal.  

Up until the AIDS awareness of the 80's, being gay was as it should be, shunned, kept quiet, etc. 

 

 

How about you and Mullah Omar just go out in the desert and start your own wonderfully awful, oppressive  puritanical society and leave everybody else alone? 

[Ice_nine]

I was going to reply but instead here's an entirely relevant song that encapsulates my feels

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xv-yQK4_A4

[StMichael]

You really are the court jester of this forum aren't you?

 

What your sexual preference is, is none of anyone's business. When you attempt to elevate your choice in life to defy God's natural law and normalize it, then it is a big deal. When it is being taught to 5 year olds in government schools, it is an issue. When you are in Disneyland and it is overtaken by "Gay Days" with the most flamboyant behavior in clear view of children, babies and adults, it is an issue.

 

When people like yourself, victims of the college indoctrination process, believe that not only shouldn't there be any public or moral opposition to this immoral behavior, but it should be embraced otherwise that person is simply an idiot, homophobe [place other dismissive phrasings here].

 

I do not care what you do. You like to sleep with sheep, that is your problem. And that is the issue, keep it your problem. Do not ask me to pay for your "dependent," do not attempt to historically change persons of history to give credibility to your dysfunction. 

 

And as I have said from the very beginning of this insane move to full immorality, one cannot prevent a person who identifies as bi-sexual to demand they can marry from both sexes to fulfill their new, government deemed "right." Heck, now we have 3 "parents" on birth certificate in Florida.

 

The next real step here, because you can't have any opposition, is what former Mayor Newsom attempted to do, ban the Bible. You have to, it clearly states this behavior is prohibited. And now you have the "Queen James" bible which just rewrites it to make being gay ok.

 

This perversion, gay normalization, is perverting all of society at its will, without any care of what damage it is doing to the family, the faith, to the natural order. And of course, without care to God.

 

Get your bells on...

 

I know.  It's so obnoxious of them to make the attempts of people like you to floopy with them a big deal.  

 

 

How about you and Mullah Omar just go out in the desert and start your own wonderfully awful, oppressive  puritanical society and leave everybody else alone?