My Two Hours In Court

[Semper Catholic]

Anyone following the Chris Dorner case? Police ordered media to stay away then cornered him and burned him alive. Gotta love due process. We've got a bunch of Judge Dredd's out there.

[r2Dtoo]

Anyone following the Chris Dorner case? Police ordered media to stay away then cornered him and burned him alive. Gotta love due process. We've got a bunch of Judge Dredd's out there.

When you murder cops and their children you can expect your Constitutional rights to stripped to a minimum.  The Constitution does not guarantee the right of everyone to be on the news.

[Semper Catholic]

When you murder cops and their children you can expect your Constitutional rights to stripped to a minimum.  The Constitution does not guarantee the right of everyone to be on the news.

 

He wasn't convicted of any crimes. Maybe he was framed or being forced to?

 

What if he had hostages in the cabin?

 

What if he wasn't in the cabin? The cops couldn't even confirm he was in there. And yet they burned it to the ground "switching to (sic) 'burners' instead of cold tear gas canisters"

[4588686]

Anyone following the Chris Dorner case? Police ordered media to stay away then cornered him and burned him alive. Gotta love due process. We've got a bunch of Judge Dredd's out there.

 

 

http://jacobinmag.com/2013/02/the-christopher-dorner-complex/

[r2Dtoo]

He wasn't convicted of any crimes. Maybe he was framed or being forced to?

 

What if he had hostages in the cabin?

 

What if he wasn't in the cabin? The cops couldn't even confirm he was in there. And yet they burned it to the ground "switching to (sic) 'burners' instead of cold tear gas canisters"

They also alleged he was shooting at them from the cabin and wounded several officers.  I can play by ear too.

http://jacobinmag.com/2013/02/the-christopher-dorner-complex/

I like this article.  It brings up a lot of what I had been noticing too.

[BG45]

Anyone following the Chris Dorner case? Police ordered media to stay away then cornered him and burned him alive. Gotta love due process. We've got a bunch of Judge Dredd's out there.

 

Have they finished the DNA analysis and dental records yet? Last I heard they were "hoping" it was him and not another innocent killed by the gross and possibly criminal incompetence and/or trigger happy nature.

When you murder cops and their children you can expect your Constitutional rights to stripped to a minimum.  The Constitution does not guarantee the right of everyone to be on the news.

 

So much for that silly "due process" thing that we took from the Magna Carta when drafting things, eh?  Media mostly complies with police request of self censorship in Dorner story.

 

In an initial dispatch, a deputy reported seeing “blood spatter”
inside the cabins. Dorner, who had just engaged in a firefight with
deputies that killed one officer and wounded another, may have been
wounded in the exchange. There was no sign of his presence, let alone
his resistance, according to police dispatches.

It was then that the deputies decided to burn the cabin down.

“We’re gonna go ahead with the plan with the burner,” one sheriff’s
deputy told another. “Like we talked about.” Minutes later, another
deputy’s voice crackled across the radio: “The burner’s deployed and we
have a fire.”

Next, a sheriff reported a “single shot” heard from inside the house.
This was before the fire had penetrated deeply into the cabin’s
interior, and may have signaled Dorner’s suicide. At that point, an
experienced ex-cop like him would have known he was finished.

Over the course of the next hour, I listened as the sheriffs
carefully managed the fire, ensuring that it burned the cabin
thoroughly. Dorner, a former member of the LAPD who had accused his
ex-colleagues of abuse and racism in a lengthy, detailed manifesto, was
inside. The cops seemed to have little interest in taking him alive.

“Burn that f***ing house down!” shouted a deputy through a scanner transmission inadvertently broadcast on the Los Angeles local news channel, KCAL 9. “F***ing burn this motherf***er!” another cop could be heard exclaiming.

While live ammo exploded inside the cabin, the deputies pondered
whether the basement would burn as well – they wanted to know if its
ceiling was made of wood or concrete. They assumed Dorner was hiding
there, and apparently wanted to ensure that he would be burned to a
crisp. “Because the fire is contained, I’m gonna let that heat burn
through the basement,” a deputy declared.

 

Before someone accuses me of making a martyr out of a domestic terrorist, I'm not.  I personally believe he was guilty as sin.  I also believe that the San Bernandino Sheriff's Department and LAPD need to have a serious review of their actions as part of a systemic review of their near constant stream of abuses over the past few decades.  And I also believe in the due process model of justice; if there's a chance to take a man alive, even an accused murderer, I think the tear gas should be used, and a structure not burned to the ground while deputies cheer in a manner reminiscent of Iraqi insurgents as they burned the corpses of U.S. security contractors in Fallujah and strung them from a bridge in 2004.

[Winchester]

Look, nobody cares about that woman.  If she had just listened to her state appointed attorney the whole thing wouldn't have happened.

 

You're not going to get anyone to care about contempt of court violations.  Only bozos wind up with those charges.

 

I'm glad to see you give up on justifying the kidnapping. I hope one day you realize that what they do to "bozos", they may also do to you.

Set aside the conspiracy theory crap, and talk about the fact that people not remotely matching his description were targets of shooting sprees. Stunning silence from the like of Dianne "Screw the 4th amendment" Feinstein on the matter.

 

 

[add]

Anyone following the Chris Dorner case? Police ordered media to stay away then cornered him and burned him alive. Gotta love due process. We've got a bunch of Judge Dredd's out there.

 

He shot to death a deputy sheriff and wounded another, earlier in the day.

He who lives by the sword dies by the sword 

 

[StMichael]

Those foolish cops, they didn't understand that the bullets flying at them was him surrendering.

 

Anyone following the Chris Dorner case? Police ordered media to stay away then cornered him and burned him alive. Gotta love due process. We've got a bunch of Judge Dredd's out there.

 

[4588686]

Those foolish cops, they didn't understand that the bullets flying at them was him surrendering.

Police aren't in the constitution.  

[r2Dtoo]

I'm glad to see you give up on justifying the kidnapping. I hope one day you realize that what they do to "bozos", they may also do to you.

Set aside the conspiracy theory crap, and talk about the fact that people not remotely matching his description were targets of shooting sprees. Stunning silence from the like of Dianne "Screw the 4th amendment" Feinstein on the matter.

There is not a chance that something like that will happen to me.  (a) I don't plan to do anything to get me before a judge and (b) even if I did why would I get a contempt of court violation?  You have to have no sense of the gravity of your situation to have that happen.

 

I really don't get the second part of your post.  I assume you're talking about Dorner now? 

[r2Dtoo]

Police aren't in the constitution.  

Not explicitly, but unwarranted search and seizure assumes that some governmental body  with the power to search private property will exist making the police indirectly mentioned.

[Winchester]

There is not a chance that something like that will happen to me.  (a) I don't plan to do anything to get me before a judge and (b) even if I did why would I get a contempt of court violation?  You have to have no sense of the gravity of your situation to have that happen.

 

When they came for the morons, I said nothing, because I was r2Dtoo.

[Nihil Obstat]

My best man is a cop. (is that grammatically right?  The person who was my best man is a cop.)  I'm sure there are some like that, but it's been my impression that most are good family men.  Maybe it's the area.  (And I've been pulled over a LOT   :)  )

 

You have to remember that every time they pull someone over, they put their life on the line, and they know it.  It's a stressful job.

My mom is a cop, and I love her to death, but it also means I can say all of that without people accusing me of just having something against cops. ;)

It is my experience, having talked to her a lot (obviously) and many of her co-workers, that they really do not think of themselves as being the same as 'normal people', when they are on the job. They are encouraged in some ways to think of themselves as being substantially different.

[Nihil Obstat]

My mom is a cop, and I love her to death, but it also means I can say all of that without people accusing me of just having something against cops. ;)

It is my experience, having talked to her a lot (obviously) and many of her co-workers, that they really do not think of themselves as being the same as 'normal people', when they are on the job. They are encouraged in some ways to think of themselves as being substantially different.

To follow up: The good ones will not abuse this. Although they will still do things that I personally think they should not. I do not fault them for it- we live in confusing times.

The trouble is that there are many bad ones. Any cop will tell you that, unless they are a bad one themselves. I have heard all the stories of idiot cops, and not the stories that come from people who hate cops, but the ones that come from the cops themselves. Nobody should ever fool themselves into thinking that the police are just out to protect the innocent. Some of them are. Some of them are truly good people. But some most definitely are not.