Evangetholic Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Pio Nono said "I am the Tradition." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 (edited) How am I to know what Tradition is apart from the Magisterium? By living what has been passed on from generation to generation, for as St. Vincent put it . . . the faith is that which "has been believed always, everywhere, and by all." Moreover, the liturgy in particular is the living expression of the faith of the ages, which is why no power - not of all the bishops nor even the authority of the pope - can simply create a committee to institute a new liturgy as was done in the Roman Church in the 1960s, and then impose it by an exercise of power on the Church. The hierarchy is not the source of tradition; instead, the hierarchy - with the faithful - is the guardian of tradition. Edited March 10, 2013 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangetholic Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I've been istening to Bishop F----y from that one group. His points about how some people equate every act/statement of the Holy Father to THE MAGISTERIUM are interesting to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 10, 2013 Author Share Posted March 10, 2013 I've been istening to Bishop F----y from that one group. His points about how some people equate every act/statement of the Holy Father to THE MAGISTERIUM are interesting to me. Bishop Fellay says many things that deserve careful attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangetholic Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Bishop Fellay says many things that deserve careful attention. You named names man. What is the first rue of fight club? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 (edited) The idea that liturgical tradition can be constantly changed through the directives from the hierarchy is no longer tradition. Is it any wonder that there is a lack of stability when everything is in flux? Liturgies with clowns, with dancers and servers coming in on roller skates, with banal music devoid of doctrinal content, is it any wonder that some liturgies have more in common with bad Broadway shows than with the historic worship of Almighty God as experienced in the ancient Apostolic Churches? Edited March 10, 2013 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangetholic Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I'm out of props Apo, but I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaudium et spes Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 This is sort of off-topic, but I'm going to an Anglican-use Catholic Church of The Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter this week and I'm super excited that the liturgy won't have any abuses in it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 10, 2013 Author Share Posted March 10, 2013 That is excellent. There is one in my diocese that I have been meaning to go to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaudium et spes Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 This is sort of off-topic, but I'm going to an Anglican-use Catholic Church of The Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter this week and I'm super excited that the liturgy won't have any abuses in it! That is excellent. There is one in my diocese that I have been meaning to go to. Question: What are the differences between a "Sung Mass" and a "Solemn High Mass"? Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 10, 2013 Author Share Posted March 10, 2013 Question: What are the differences between a "Sung Mass" and a "Solemn High Mass"? Thank you! Depends on the context. I am most familiar with the traditional Mass, and the difference is this: the Missa Cantata is the Mass in which the Ordinary and Propers are sung, but there is only one priest assisted by servers. A Solemn High Mass is sung as well, but also there are three clerics: the priest, deacon, and subdeacon, plus servers. There are slightly different directions between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 By living what has been passed on from generation to generation, for as St. Vincent put it . . . the faith is that which "has been believed always, everywhere, and by all." Moreover, the liturgy in particular is the living expression of the faith of the ages, which is why no power - not of all the bishops nor even the authority of the pope - can simply create a committee to institute a new liturgy as was done in the Roman Church in the 1960s, and then impose it by an exercise of power on the Church. The hierarchy is not the source of tradition; instead, the hierarchy - with the faithful - is the guardian of tradition. Given the comment on the institution of a new liturgy, I was wondering if you would consider the Novus Ordo (which you seem to be referring to) as a valid form of the Mass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Cardinal Ranjith for Pope! Crazy dope post yo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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