In The Archdiocese Of Colombo, Communion In The Hand Is Not Permitted.

[Debra Little]

I had no idea, but I just chanced across this via some Wikipedia links.

Apparently in 2011, in his Archdiocese of Colombo (Sri Lanka) Malcolm Cardinal Ranjith removed permission to distribute Communion in the hand, and directed that Communion is to be received kneeling. He also mandated that altar rails be present in every parish, and that priests wear proper vestments during Mass.

I had no idea that something like this happened. I wonder why it was not talked about more. Did I just miss it?

 

Anyway, I think Cardinal Ranjith suddenly became my favourite Cardinal. :hehe:

 

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2011/06/cardinal-ranjths-reforms-in-his.html

http://www.archdioceseofcolombo.com/inner.php?news_id=37

 

 

i heard a priest on ewtn, i think from Germany,  same thing in his parish and in some other parishes over there.

wish they had that here.  problem though,  if i kneel i might not be able to get back up.   arthritis in my knees.
 

I'm not going to wade into the 10823402348278349078th hand communion debate here but I will say this, there are a lot of good, reverent Catholics that take communion in the hand. But lack of reverence and a lot of people taking communion in the hand improperly also ruin it for everyone else. People that tighten regulations aren't doing this because they "feel like it" or to be some mean old traddie. They have their reasons.

 

 

since when is it proper for us to touch the body of our Lord.  only the priest is supposed to.

if i ever to get to Mass, if i ever get to take holy communion again, i am not taking in

the hand anymore.   i was very convicted by something i heard a bishop say on ewtn,.

[GeorgiiMichael]

i heard a priest on ewtn, i think from Germany,  same thing in his parish and in some other parishes over there.

wish they had that here.  problem though,  if i kneel i might not be able to get back up.   arthritis in my knees.
 

 

If kneeling became the norm again, those with health issues that would prevent them from kneeling wouldn't be forced to kneel, so don't worry about that.

[Debra Little]

Autumn, since these things are indults, they are absolutely within the local bishop's authority, whether one likes it or not.  A bishop couldn't add other ways of receiving, and he couldn't forbid the universal way (kneeling and on the tongue), as that would be contrary to the universal Church's rubrics, but he can simply not make use of the indult.  I believe that there are some places where reception in the hand has never actually been permitted at all (not sure if that's true, but it's possible), none of these things have every been mandated by the Vatican, the Vatican has simply permitted bishops to allow it if they wish (same thing with Altar girls)

 

if you live in a diocese where it is permitted, and it is significant to you, then I don't begrudge you of it.  I wouldn't mind a dispassioned discussion about its pro's and con's in which I'd come down in favor of kneeling/on the tongue, but if you make use of the indult that's your prerogative and I wouldn't presume to say anything about your personal devotion... but just keep in mind that the indult is not the universal norm, and it is well within a bishop's prerogative to remove it, at least as things currently stand.

 

i heard Cardinal Arinze say this was not permitted by Vatican II.  taking communion in the hand and the Holy Father

wants it changed to the way it used to be.

Cardinal Ranjith for Pope!

 

yes!

Yes, I am an Orthodox Catholic, which is a statement that any good Melkite Catholic will affirm.   :smile3:

 

More precisely, the Melkite Catholic Patriarch and Holy Synod issued the profession of faith below back in the mid 1990s, and it remains the official position of the Melkite Catholic Church to this day:

 

 

1.  I believe everything which Eastern Orthodoxy teaches.

2.  I am in communion with the Bishop of Rome as the first among the bishops, according to the limits recognized by the Holy Fathers of the East during the first millennium, before the separation.

I should also add that it is a special mission of Eastern Catholics (and not merely Melkite Catholics) to work for the restoration of communion with the Eastern Orthodox Churches, a mission that is made especially hard by many of the strange things (particularly liturgical things) that occur in the Roman Catholic Church. But hey . . . life is not always easy.

 

Jesus body is made of human beings and none of us are perfect.  give us a break.

[Apotheoun]

. . . 

 

Apotheoun, I find you confusing. Are you Catholic or Orthodox?

You might find the thread linked below helpful:

 

Melkites

[Ash Wednesday]

since when is it proper for us to touch the body of our Lord.  only the priest is supposed to.

if i ever to get to Mass, if i ever get to take holy communion again, i am not taking in

the hand anymore.   i was very convicted by something i heard a bishop say on ewtn,.

 

I do not take communion on the hand, myself. That said, it is allowed in the Church and this is a debate that has gone on here countless times and it's one that I said I would not get into, and I won't be dragged into it.

[Socrates]

The idea that the outliers get to make the rules can work both ways.

 

When everyone is doing something that's when you get in trouble.  There were PLENTY of abuses at Mass before the 1960's.  People didn't pay attention, either...thats why all the old ladies all pray rosaries, because without them Mass would bore you stiff.  In the scheme of thing is praying a roasary better than playing with a cell phone?  Sure...but it still dosn't change the fact that one is absorbed in a non-Mass behavior.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "outliers getting to make the rules."

 

Are you also upset when bishops ban kneeling in their diocese, and take out altar rails?

 

Why all the hate towards tradition?

[XIX]

This debate again?

 

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

[Nihil Obstat]

No debate here. Just an interesting factoid with commentary. :|

[PhuturePriest]

From a personal story in my diocese, once a boy (About fourteen) irreverently walked up to communion, looking like he would rather be on a line to the guillotine, and when it was his turn he raised up his hands. "The Body of Christ." the Priest announced. Nothing. The Priest was confused, and he again said "The Body of Christ." The boy stood there for a few moments, wondering what the heck the Priest was expecting him to do, and the old man behind him went "A good Catholic would say 'Amen'." So he did, and when the Priest placed it on his hands, he threw it in his mouth like it was a cracker and walked off. That is the kind of unbelievable, ridiculous disrespect towards the Eucharist we want to avoid by kneeling and receiving on the tongue. However, being on your knees and receiving on the tongue will not fix this in and of itself. We need proper catechesis if we want to accomplish anything.

[XIX]

No debate here. Just an interesting factoid with commentary. :|

 

I'll have to admit that I was just looking for an excuse to post the nooooooooooo button somewhere.  [/hijack]

[Gabriela]

This is a good first step in mollifying Eastern Orthodox concerns about the degenerated nature of Roman Catholic worship, but it is only a first step.  As long as videos continue to surface like the one at the Orthodox blog linked below, which show strange liturgies in the Roman Church in major cities, ecumenical outreach will be hindered and the cause of unity in Christ will be undermined.

 

Lenten Liturgy: Compare and Contrast

 

That video was horrifying.

 

I do love the Orthodox liturgy. But I wonder: WHY hasn't Orthodoxy succumbed to the same nonsense as many Catholic liturgies? Is it only because of abuse of Vatican II? Or is there something in the Orthodox Church—in the tradition, the Church hierarchy, etc.—that's made it immune to this sort of change?

[Debra Little]

If kneeling became the norm again, those with health issues that would prevent them from kneeling wouldn't be forced to kneel, so don't worry about that.

 

thank you michael.  i can just imagine how it would hold up the communion line

if my knee froze on me.  haha

[Nihil Obstat]

thank you michael.  i can just imagine how it would hold up the communion line

if my knee froze on me.  haha

I am sure many respectful young traditionalists would rush forward to offer their assistance. ;) :proud:

[fides' Jack]

The idea that the outliers get to make the rules can work both ways.

 

When everyone is doing something that's when you get in trouble.  There were PLENTY of abuses at Mass before the 1960's.  People didn't pay attention, either...thats why all the old ladies all pray rosaries, because without them Mass would bore you stiff.  In the scheme of thing is praying a roasary better than playing with a cell phone?  Sure...but it still dosn't change the fact that one is absorbed in a non-Mass behavior.

 

Give me a break...

[PhuturePriest]

The idea that the outliers get to make the rules can work both ways.

 

When everyone is doing something that's when you get in trouble.  There were PLENTY of abuses at Mass before the 1960's.  People didn't pay attention, either...thats why all the old ladies all pray rosaries, because without them Mass would bore you stiff.  In the scheme of thing is praying a roasary better than playing with a cell phone?  Sure...but it still dosn't change the fact that one is absorbed in a non-Mass behavior.

 

People prayed the Rosary because it was commonly believed that the Mass was the Priest's prayer, not the peoples', so they could choose to do something else like pray the Rosary instead. The Vatican tried to clear this misconception with the help of Vatican II. Doing it had nothing to do with being bored, people just didn't know they were a part of the prayer as well.