Evangetholic Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 IF you all become like her (because she was so very much like Him)--I'll believe that there is something special about Catholicism and work on re-entering the Roman Church. Her wikipedia (yes wikipedia) article has filled me with awe. A holy woman born of a holy seed. "Sometimes, when I read spiritual treatises in which perfection is shown with a thousand obstacles, surrounded by a crowd of illusions, my poor little mind quickly tires. I close the learned book which is breaking my head and drying up my heart, and I take up Holy Scripture. Then all seems luminous to me; a single word uncovers for my soul infinite horizons; perfection seems simple; I see that it is enough to recognize one's nothingness and to abandon oneself, like a child, into God's arms. Leaving to great souls, to great minds, the beautiful books I cannot understand, I rejoice to be little because only children, and those who are like them, will be admitted to the heavenly banquet." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) IF you all become like her (because she was so very much like Him)--I'll believe that there is something special about Catholicism and work on re-entering the Roman Church. Her wikipedia (yes wikipedia) article has filled me with awe. A holy woman born of a holy seed. "Sometimes, when I read spiritual treatises in which perfection is shown with a thousand obstacles, surrounded by a crowd of illusions, my poor little mind quickly tires. I close the learned book which is breaking my head and drying up my heart, and I take up Holy Scripture. Then all seems luminous to me; a single word uncovers for my soul infinite horizons; perfection seems simple; I see that it is enough to recognize one's nothingness and to abandon oneself, like a child, into God's arms. Leaving to great souls, to great minds, the beautiful books I cannot understand, I rejoice to be little because only children, and those who are like them, will be admitted to the heavenly banquet." Well, things such as reading the Gospel are pious things and are not technically necessary for salvation. However, knowing and learning the Word of God will bring you closer to God, which in turn makes it easier to enter Heaven, which is why I try to do it every day, and will be doing for thirty minutes a day during Lent. Edited February 12, 2013 by FuturePriest387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangetholic Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Well, things such as reading the Gospel are pious things and are not technically necessary for salvation. However, knowing and learning the Word of God will bring you closer to God, which in turn makes it easier to enter Heaven, which is why I try to do it every day, and will be doing for thirty minutes a day during Lent. "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmenchristi Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Well, things such as reading the Gospel are pious things and are not technically necessary for salvation. However, knowing and learning the Word of God will bring you closer to God, which in turn makes it easier to enter Heaven, which is why I try to do it every day, and will be doing for thirty minutes a day during Lent. Ummm..... That's kinda like saying that the Eucharist isn't technically necessary for salvation. Sure you might get lucky, but you might not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangetholic Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 "necessary for salvation" Reading the bible is not necessary for salvation (believe it or not virtually every Evangelical on the earth would agree with this statement). I've yet to meet even one "Christian" who exhibits the good fruit and is not passively (from hearing) or actively (from searching the Book for themselves) soaked in the Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmenchristi Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) Oops wrong thread. Edited February 12, 2013 by carmenchristi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangetholic Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) lol now I see. Edited February 12, 2013 by Evangetholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 IF you all become like her (because she was so very much like Him)--I'll believe that there is something special about Catholicism and work on re-entering the Roman Church. All right. :) What do you need to see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 The Church - at the level of her members - is, has been, and always will be, a mixed bag, and that is why St. Augustine in one of his homilies to the newly baptized said the following: "Therefore, because you have been made members of Christ I must warn you; for I fear dangers for you, and not alone from those who are pagans, not alone from the Jews, and not so much from the heretics as from bad Catholics. Choose from among the people of God those you would imitate. For if you wish to imitate the multitude, you shall then not be among the few who shall enter by the narrow way" [St. Augustine, Sermon 224]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangetholic Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Yes. The wheat and the chaff grow up together, but this particular church makes some very loud and insistent claims about itself; claims that I do not see as necessarily relating to the image of things I see in the Scriptures or Church History. I just do not see Catholics bearing more evidence of grace and relationship with Christ than anyone else. Also what then is the Church if it is not the sum of its members? What would I need to see? A clearer line between the converted and the merely baptized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 She is truly special. And declared Doctor of the Church for good reason. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I do not see it either, but then I am not looking for what you are trying to find, because I see the Church more as a hospital for sinners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangetholic Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 I do not see it either, but then I am not looking for what you are trying to find, because I see the Church more as a hospital for sinners. And I keep seeing this "hospital for sinners" line different places--but if people go into this hospital (most people?) and do not come out healed of the disease oughtn't they go elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 And I keep seeing this "hospital for sinners" line different places--but if people go into this hospital (most people?) and do not come out healed of the disease oughtn't they go elsewhere? Sometimes patients aren't healed because they do not cooperate, but that is a consequence of free will (or its misuse). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra Little Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17 amen! And I keep seeing this "hospital for sinners" line different places--but if people go into this hospital (most people?) and do not come out healed of the disease oughtn't they go elsewhere? that doesn't happen in God's hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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