Nihil Obstat Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Now that I think about it, Cardinal Llovera, Arinze's replacement at the CDW, would probably make an excellent pope. He is also quite young, relatively speaking. That site Al posted gives him about the same chance as Burke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappie Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I hope Dr. Ed Peters does a quick piece on how current Canon Law treats a resigned pope. :) He always has something interesting to say. Papa Emeritus The resignation of Benedict XVI portends no problems for Church governance. We know exactly when the vacancy in the Apostolic See will occur (2 pm, Eastern time, Thursday, FEB 28) and we know what laws will govern the Church during said vacancy (ap. con. Universi Dominici Gregis). Up until then the pope is fully the pope (c. 331), and after that, he isn’t; most heads of Roman dicasteries will immediately cease functioning in their offices, and canonical clocks will start ticking, culminating in the next papal conclave in mid-March. What canon law does not, to my knowledge, treat of—and has not experienced for nearly 600 years—is the status of a former pope. I’m sure Vatican protocol experts are working on it, but my ruminations are as follows. These are, per force, first impressions. Resignation in canon law impacts only the offices actually resigned. Benedict XVI is resigning the distinguishable but inseparable offices of the papacy and the bishopric of Rome, so, effective the evening of February 28, he will hold neither office (nor of necessity the papal Lateran basilica). Now, prior to his election as pope in 2005, Joseph Ratzinger was a cardinal in the Roman Church and possessed certain rights and duties as a cardinal. I am not aware that he resignedthat office (though he vacated his suburbicarian see of Velletri-Segni, which is now held by Cdl Arinze), so, I am thinking that, upon resigning the papacy, Benedict XVI simply resumes his place among the College of Cardinals, having never left it, and of course, would be a regular member of the College of Bishops (c. 336). If the pope simply resumes his status as cardinal, a number of sticky problems are avoided: for example, he automatically falls under the exclusive jurisdiction of the next pope (c. 1405 § 1, 2º), and he would likewise enjoy faculties for sacramental confession everywhere (c. 967 § 1). Could we really imagine the alternative: a former pope being subjected to the jurisdiction of someone other than the next pope, or his needing faculties from an ordinary to hear confessions? Well, if Benedict is not a cardinal come the evening of Feb 28—well in advance of the arrival of new pope who could take whatever action he wished at that time—both of those scenarios would seem to apply. Also, upon acceptance of the office of Bishop of Rome, I think the pope became incardinated in that local Church (cc. 265 ff); now, I see no mechanism by which a bishop loses his incardination upon resigning his governing office, so it seems that Cdl. Ratzinger would remain a cleric of the Archdiocese of Rome, being generally bound the rules applying to all such clerics. He would be the emeritus bishop of that local Church (c. 185). An expert in Italian canon law could tell us whether retired prelates there are voting members of the Italian Episcopal Conference (c. 454 § 2), but, aside from his being accountable only to future pope, I think it is clear that Benendict intends a life of quiet prayer and study, so the question is interesting (I think!), but quite moot. It is customary in some places to refer to former presidents and former ambassadors as “President†or “Ambassador†after they have given up office. I see no problem in referring to “His Holiness, Joseph Ratzinger, Papa Emeritus and Cardinal of the H. R. C.†http://canonlawblog.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Papa Emeritus The resignation of Benedict XVI portends no problems for Church governance. We know exactly when the vacancy in the Apostolic See will occur (2 pm, Eastern time, Thursday, FEB 28) and we know what laws will govern the Church during said vacancy (ap. con. Universi Dominici Gregis). Up until then the pope is fully the pope (c. 331), and after that, he isn’t; most heads of Roman dicasteries will immediately cease functioning in their offices, and canonical clocks will start ticking, culminating in the next papal conclave in mid-March. What canon law does not, to my knowledge, treat of—and has not experienced for nearly 600 years—is the status of a former pope. I’m sure Vatican protocol experts are working on it, but my ruminations are as follows. These are, per force, first impressions. Resignation in canon law impacts only the offices actually resigned. Benedict XVI is resigning the distinguishable but inseparable offices of the papacy and the bishopric of Rome, so, effective the evening of February 28, he will hold neither office (nor of necessity the papal Lateran basilica). Now, prior to his election as pope in 2005, Joseph Ratzinger was a cardinal in the Roman Church and possessed certain rights and duties as a cardinal. I am not aware that he resignedthat office (though he vacated his suburbicarian see of Velletri-Segni, which is now held by Cdl Arinze), so, I am thinking that, upon resigning the papacy, Benedict XVI simply resumes his place among the College of Cardinals, having never left it, and of course, would be a regular member of the College of Bishops (c. 336). If the pope simply resumes his status as cardinal, a number of sticky problems are avoided: for example, he automatically falls under the exclusive jurisdiction of the next pope (c. 1405 § 1, 2º), and he would likewise enjoy faculties for sacramental confession everywhere (c. 967 § 1). Could we really imagine the alternative: a former pope being subjected to the jurisdiction of someone other than the next pope, or his needing faculties from an ordinary to hear confessions? Well, if Benedict is not a cardinal come the evening of Feb 28—well in advance of the arrival of new pope who could take whatever action he wished at that time—both of those scenarios would seem to apply. Also, upon acceptance of the office of Bishop of Rome, I think the pope became incardinated in that local Church (cc. 265 ff); now, I see no mechanism by which a bishop loses his incardination upon resigning his governing office, so it seems that Cdl. Ratzinger would remain a cleric of the Archdiocese of Rome, being generally bound the rules applying to all such clerics. He would be the emeritus bishop of that local Church (c. 185). An expert in Italian canon law could tell us whether retired prelates there are voting members of the Italian Episcopal Conference (c. 454 § 2), but, aside from his being accountable only to future pope, I think it is clear that Benendict intends a life of quiet prayer and study, so the question is interesting (I think!), but quite moot. It is customary in some places to refer to former presidents and former ambassadors as “President†or “Ambassador†after they have given up office. I see no problem in referring to “His Holiness, Joseph Ratzinger, Papa Emeritus and Cardinal of the H. R. C.†http://canonlawblog.wordpress.com/ Ah, he is quick! I was just saying on his Facebook page that I hope he had time to write precisely that. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlySunshine Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I don't want to be disrespectful to the situation, but I'm hoping that Cardinal Burke is given a fair chance. I know next to nothing about Cardinal Arinze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Pope Benedict is a genius as his exit is under the best conditions, and yet he still remains a man of his word. Why the world is surprised, I don't know. All the clues were there. All this speculation is ridiculous. I laugh at the secular press and all this concern about "what happens." Ed Peters actually makes it out to be a lot clearer than I initially though it would be. I knew it wouldn't be a big deal, but the way he spells it out is quite clear and untroubled. Pope Benedict will retire into quiet like previous US presidents and the Church will continue. Nothing is going to happen...... Yes it's history...and that's cool....but that's about it. I give BXVI kudos for going out in such a style. He has the world in stitches and all he did was follow through with what he'd say he would do. Rock on Pope Benny! Many secular articles say your papal reign was a failure.....but we know better :crusader2: You fought the good fight.....God bless in your well deserved and overdue retirement. :amen: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Daily prayer for Pope Benedict and for our new pope whoever this might be - I am confident that The Lord can be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the171 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcmUYDU-2DY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnfv1LUMaBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpence Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 No, he is not the one Dante put in hell. His successor (Who put him to death after he resigned) was the one Dante put in hell. oh snap!! Well, I was shocked this morning...a little shaken, but I trust God, there must be a reason for this even if we do not understand it right now. Suppose he has developed some kind of bad mental issues along the lines of Alzheimers? Can you imagine what kind of scandals we could have if he started making crazy statements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 If the Holy Father has been praying about this for as long as it seems, and if this is the conclusion he has reached, then all that is left for me to do is to trust that this is for the good of the Church. It is not usual, and perhaps all things being equal it is better for the pope to die in office, but if prayer has led him here, I will not say otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJon16 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) I heard the news this morning, and thus said morning prayer in beloved intention for Benedict and the Church. I was upset at first, but as I prayed I think God gave me a certain peace about this. As I plead out to him my confusion and sadness, He seemed to say "Be not afraid. All is in my hands." It was a beautiful moment of peace that made my day. "The Lord will give strength to his people, the Lord will bless his people with peace." Unusual? Yes. But unusual is not always bad. One can say that God becoming man and dieing on cross is quite unusual, but they would be highly mistaken if they were to say that it was a "bad move." Oh, and I'd like to share from our beloved Marc Barnes over at Bad Catholic: Awesome post is awesome. A Reflection on the Abdication of Pope Benedict XVII An unusual post for an unusual day. I’m transcribing my notebook because I don’t have anything particularly structured to say about our Holy Father’s resignation: He, the scholar by the window, braving a life of declarative sentences and scriptural exegesis, was swept up into ecstasy by the Holy Spirit to dwell in high places with Him. On the day of his anointing he wore a sweater underneath his finery, for it was cold. “Pray for me,†he said to me, “that I may not flee for fear of the wolves.†But what a wolf-wrestler our sweatered German turned out to be. He taught me that the Dictator is best assassinated by silence. Silence and encyclicals. I’m sure he missed his books, his window, and the sparrows fidgeting outside, but he was courageous. He was the second hundred and fifty sixth, the sixteenth and the first. He told my generation to “leave the dead-end streets of consumerism†and we haven’t listened yet. I saw his capfly off in the wind as he preached in a Spanish storm. His heart is as pure as his prose. He is a man of peace that cleaves like a sword. He ruled with authority, motu proprio, applying salves to the schisms in the Skin, going about the business of waking a yawning Church with reminders of Her glory: See how the sparrows are clothed in surplices, stoles, cassocks, and frocks, the trees with their crosiers and capes. Do not ask what we will wear, the Bride of Christ is provided for. Just read the General Instruction of the Roman Missal. He played the piano because God is Beauty, and “it is in this – in truth, in goodness, and in beauty – that we find happiness and joy.†Enemies crowned him, jewels of a love that makes declarative sentences, while he made American saints and prayed for the salvation of sinners. How unwitting the darkness that made his light shine brighter. He leaves as he came, with a humility that shocks the world. Edited February 11, 2013 by BigJon16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 For selfish reasons, I hope it's Cardinal Francis Arinze. 1. He's awesome. 2. I met him while he was washing his feet at the ATL airport. 3. Phatmass owns francisarinze.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangetholic Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Were the good Cardinal a Protestant theologian, he'd most likely sue you to get that domain name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Were the good Cardinal a Protestant theologian, he'd most likely sue you to get that domain name. All Arinze would have to do is ask me for it and give a shout out to phatmass at his papal acceptance speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vee Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 When I told my mom of the news this morning she mentioned a couple of things she noticed while watching a papal mass on ewtn a week or so ago. One was that His Holiness did not walk far but instead stood on a platform with wheels and that was how he made his way down the aisle. Upon bending to kiss the altar His Holiness dropped his crozier and it was caught in the nick of time by an assistant! Surely he knows himself and his health far better than we do and has not made this decision rashly. I am grateful to have had Papa Benny as pope even though it does seem it was just a short time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Unusual? Yes. But unusual is not always bad. One can say that God becoming man and dieing on cross is quite unusual, but they would be highly mistaken if they were to say that it was a "bad move." For instance, I am unusual, and yet it's that wonderful kind of unusual you only see once in a lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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