Why Don’t Priests Follow Rubrics? Fr. Z Cheerfully Rants.

[Nihil Obstat]

i think she means the part about "not functioning publicly as a priest". (that's what I got out of that)

 

OH MY GOSH. ARE YOU SERIOUSLY BEING THIS DENSE?

 

No, it is a rather simple subject. You guys are making it far more complicated than it is.

 

Where was he calumniated?

Noel insinuating above that he is mentally unstable and has sinister motives.

 

He definitely presents himself as a priest, in public. That's his whole schtick. DO you think he would have half the followers and/or credibility without the collar? A blog is as public as it gets and he makes sure everyone knows he wears that collar. He uses the o{]:¬)  smiley. He has an "Ask Father" question box.

 

For goodness sake.

 

He has broadcasted himself saying Mass.

He is a priest. He does not typically function as one publicly in the diocese in which he is currently living (although if and when he is invited to say Mass at any particular parish, he is entirely free to do so). I see no problem there. He is not suspended. He is not being called to return to his diocese. He is not preaching anything wrong. What is the problem?

Canon law allows for this. Who are you to say otherwise?

Edited February 11, 2013 by Nihil Obstat

[vee]

i refuse to read thread posts in order :stubborn:

[MissyP89]

Homies.

 

It's OK to like Fr. Z.

 

It's also OK to wonder if he's a bit sketch, especially given the climate of today's Church and the way Fr. Corapi imploded. Should we respect him as a shepherd of the Church? Yes. But we are also free to challenge his ideas and let our instincts guide us. A lot of folks here get bad vibes about Fr. Z., and that's fair. It's their opinion. If you think my dad is super sketch, and go and tell a bunch of folks, that's your opinion. Let the people talk, and let Father's words and actions tell the ultimate truth, whatever it is.

 

Now everybody take a breath and pray for our priests. I'll start: Hail, Mary, full of grace...

[Basilisa Marie]

But isn't the Church's view on the Mass that neither of them is "better", that they are different but "equal"?

 

Exactly.  But I can have a personal preference for one or the other.  I can even personally believe one is better, as long as I recognize that because the Church officially views them as equal, people are perfectly fine to disagree with my opinion.  I just can't go around acting like my opinion is fact.  I can say, "The Novus Ordo is awesome because....and is spiritually beneficial because..."  AND I can say "Some of the drawbacks of the Extraordinary Form are..." But I can't say "The Extraordinary Form is bad" or "The Church believes the Novus Ordo is best."  

[IcePrincessKRS]

fixed.   :)

 

That, too. ;)

[Maggyie]

No, it is a rather simple subject. You guys are making it far more complicated than it is.

 

Noel insinuating above that he is mentally unstable and has sinister motives.

 

He is a priest. He does not typically function as one publicly in the diocese in which he is currently living (although if and when he is invited to say Mass at any particular parish, he is entirely free to do so). I see no problem there. He is not suspended. He is not being called to return to his diocese. He is not preaching anything wrong. What is the problem?

Canon law allows for this. Who are you to say otherwise?

 

Again see my emphasis. Is the assumption that no one in the diocese has internet access?

[Nihil Obstat]

Again see my emphasis. Is the assumption that no one in the diocese has internet access?

Publicly functioning as a priest does not include blogging. 

[Evangetholic]

To be clear, we must respect his office as a priest. We don't have to like him as a person. That's basic theology and common sense.

 

Ah! But dear sister you must do more than that even! You must do more than like him. You must love him. And not some wishy washy "I love everybody" claptrap.

 

I mean specifically what is owed one Christian to another (side stepping Catholic theology around priesthood).

 

I John 3:14-15, "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him."

 

Romans
12:9-10; "Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another."

 

Ephesians 4:15, "But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into Him in all things, Which is the head, even Christ."

 

I John 2:9, "He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now."

 

II Thessalonians 3:14, 15, "And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother."

 

Galatians 6:1, "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."

 

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A Christian is a fearsome thing. Do not ever raise your voice needlessly against one. This is not about not sharing opinions, it's about being careful vis-a-vis how we express those opinions. The man is a brother. A more fearsome thing than a father. If he is a brother then do not expose his flaws before others--UNLESS (and I do not know Catholic theology well enough to say whether or not this is the case) the errors are on essentials of doctrine and right-living. 

 

Christ unites his people.

 

But Satan, a liar from the beginning the Book calls him, divides. He destroys. He makes Christians snipe at one another and get lost in petty differences of opinion WHILE THE GOOD PEOPLE OF THIS AGE DIE AND GO TO HELL.

[Nihil Obstat]

Ah! But dear sister you must do more than that even! You must do more than like him. You must love him. And not some wishy washy "I love everybody" claptrap.

 

I mean specifically what is owed one Christian to another (side stepping Catholic theology around priesthood).

 

I John 3:14-15, "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him."

 

Romans
12:9-10; "Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another."

 

Ephesians 4:15, "But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into Him in all things, Which is the head, even Christ."

 

I John 2:9, "He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now."

 

II Thessalonians 3:14, 15, "And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother."

 

Galatians 6:1, "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."

 

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A Christian is a fearsome thing. Do not ever raise your voice needlessly against one. This is not about not sharing opinions, it's about being careful vis-a-vis how we express those opinions. The man is a brother. A more fearsome thing than a father. If he is a brother then do not expose his flaws before others--UNLESS (and I do not know Catholic theology well enough to say whether or not this is the case) the errors are on essentials of doctrine and right-living. 

 

Christ unites his people.

 

But Satan, a liar from the beginning the Book calls him, divides. He destroys. He makes Christians snipe at one another and get lost in petty differences of opinion WHILE THE GOOD PEOPLE OF THIS AGE DIE AND GO TO HELL.

I like this guy, even though he is a heretic. :|

[IcePrincessKRS]

Ah! But dear sister you must do more than that even! You must do more than like him. You must love him. And not some wishy washy "I love everybody" claptrap.

 

I mean specifically what is owed one Christian to another (side stepping Catholic theology around priesthood).

 

I John 3:14-15, "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him."

 

Romans
12:9-10; "Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another."

 

Ephesians 4:15, "But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into Him in all things, Which is the head, even Christ."

 

I John 2:9, "He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now."

 

II Thessalonians 3:14, 15, "And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother."

 

Galatians 6:1, "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."

 

---------------

 

A Christian is a fearsome thing. Do not ever raise your voice needlessly against one. This is not about not sharing opinions, it's about being careful vis-a-vis how we express those opinions. The man is a brother. A more fearsome thing than a father. If he is a brother then do not expose his flaws before others--UNLESS (and I do not know Catholic theology well enough to say whether or not this is the case) the errors are on essentials of doctrine and right-living. 

 

Christ unites his people.

 

But Satan, a liar from the beginning the Book calls him, divides. He destroys. He makes Christians snipe at one another and get lost in petty differences of opinion WHILE THE GOOD PEOPLE OF THIS AGE DIE AND GO TO HELL.

 

Love ain't the same as like, brother.

[vee]

Reading that link reminded me of why I never really read his blog.  I find the posts too long!  It did answer one question I had about him though which was why does he blog so much, doesnt he have a parish to attend to?

 

I am a priest in good standing in the Suburbicarian Diocese of
Velletri-Segni in Italy.  This is one of the little ancient dioceses
encircling Rome, thus “Suburbicarian”.  My name appears on my diocese’s
website in the list of diocesan priests.  Unlike poor Roger Maris, I
have no asterisk by my name.  I have faculties to say Holy Mass (can.
903), to preach (can. 764), and to receive sacramental confessions (can.
969.1).

I am living, with the knowledge and consent of my bishop and his
predecessor, outside my diocese and in the United States.  I am working
on my doctoral thesis, working on the internet, writing as a columnist
for different publications, and giving talks at conferences and other
events.

 

[KnightofChrist]

This is a stoooopid fight. You should all come drink with me. Hennessy Privilege, Jack Daniels Single Barrel, Paul Masson are all far more fun than getting butthurt over Father Z.

[Evangetholic]

It should never happen that a Christian exposes our internal discord to the world's ridiculing eyes without the most serious of reasons. And when we do, we should tremble with fear lest God's righteous frown fall on us.

[Basilisa Marie]

Love ain't the same as like, brother.

 

I've run out of props.  Blast. 

 

Also: Fraternal Correction - a wonderful way for us to tell people we think they're silly while also loving them.  :) 

[Nihil Obstat]

Reading that link reminded me of why I never really read his blog.  I find the posts too long!  It did answer one question I had about him though which was why does he blog so much, doesnt he have a parish to attend to?

Apparently not. Otherwise his bishop might mind him not being there.