An Applebee's Diner Refused To Leave A Tip For Religious Reasons

[Winchester]

Limited power to individuals, or total power to political class. Hmmm....

[add]

I generally Include a tip as it is the polite thing to do. 20% as a rule.
If the service is poor, I still leave a good tip, I just don't give the place anymore Business.
There's A lot of good restaurants out there, Anxious for customers

Edited February 5, 2013 by add

[BG45]

I can confirm that somewhat lower tips are standard in Canada.

 

I can somewhat confirm this.  Was on the first night of a conference at Toronto and in a sports bar/restaurant.  I left what I'd consider an average tip at a similar place in the U.S. and thought my waiter was going to hug me.

[Nihil Obstat]

I can somewhat confirm this. Was on the first night of a conference at Toronto and in a sports bar/restaurant. I left what I'd consider an average tip at a similar place in the U.S. and thought my waiter was going to hug me.

As I understand it, Canadians tip ten to fifteen percent in the average range, ten being a bit low. Of course higher is not uncommon.

[eagle_eye222001]

To the first... I've done all of that minus the rolling silverware.

 

To the second: then make 20% gratuity mandatory on all orders. Or 10% gratuity automatically added into the bill and allow tipping beyond that based on level of service provided (10% mandatory for even crappity crap service, throw 5% on your table for decent service, and 10% on your table for amazing service).

 

To the third: $45/hr for a job that requires no formal training is massive wages no matter how you put it. I don't care what kind of crap a waiter has to put up with, because most people working customer service have a good amount of crap to deal with too, yet they don't make $45 hourly. They make $10-12 an hr. A lot of them have to give up evenings weekends and holidays too. Who do you think checks you out at your grocery store when you need to run in on thanksgiving because you forgot to buy butter? Who do you think closes up the store at 11pm? Who do you think works on saturdays and sundays while the average joe is on his day off? That same person will have customers yelling at him because the price wrang up wrong or he was too slow checking out the customers before this guy. Or there's the fast food staff who stand all day, take orders, get yelled at for forgetting the tomatoes, have to wipe tables, and are only making $8 an hr with no benefits. They also work nights weekends and holidays.

I'm not saying wait staff should make $8-12 an hour, but certainly not $45 as the standard.

 

 

If you make gratuity mandatory, you will get overall worse service.

 

I'll have to think about the 10% mandatory plus the optional part.

 

I don't go to stores that are open on Thanksgiving and Sunday.  If I can't plan ahead...

 

There is a difference between waiting tables and the grocery store.  At a restaurant  a server waits on you and brings you your every little whim right to you.  At the store, you do your own labor, push your own cart, collect the food you want to buy, and then bring to a person who scans it and then deals with the payment.  Also people who open and close stores don't deal with customers in the same manner as servers do.  Someone who stocks shelves will have some encounters with customers but not near as much as servers.

 

Also I'm going to call into dispute the use of the $45/hr.  You calculated that...but that's not reality for a large percentage of people who wait tables.  Conduct a survey over several average restaurants  and you'll come out with a much lower number.  It's partly my fault for using it and accepting it but I was taking it as hyperbole more than anything.

 

 And again, I don't see my point being refuted on opportunity costs.  So what if a server makes the big bucks for a few hours? If a server isn't making at least a few dollars over minimum wage, it isn't worth it.  And 10% doesn't get you there.

 

On my reasonable nights waiting tables, I did make $11-$15an hour....but that was because people tipped me 15-20% most of the night....not 10%.  So yes, some hours I was making loads of money per hour......just like a car gets infinity gas mileage when its coasting. :biker:  Too bad that coasting isn't forever though.

 

 

I'll accept you have found a restaurant where servers drive mercedes and have pools in their backyards....but that is the exception and not the norm.

[IcePrincessKRS]

 

 

Also I'm going to call into dispute the use of the $45/hr.  You calculated that...but that's not reality for a large percentage of people who wait tables.  Conduct a survey over several average restaurants  and you'll come out with a much lower number.

 

 

 

It sure as heck wasn't my experience when I was waiting tables. My customers loved me (there are regulars who still ask about me), I wasn't getting crummy tips, but I sure as shinobi wasn't making $45 an hour. If the majority of servers were making $45 an hour x 8 hours a day x 5 days a week x 52 weeks a year = $93,600 there'd be a helluva lot more people fighting to wait tables for a living.

[Winchester]

I'm not saying wait staff should make $8-12 an hour, but certainly not $45 as the standard.

[BG45]

As I understand it, Canadians tip ten to fifteen percent in the average range, ten being a bit low. Of course higher is not uncommon.

 

Yeah I tipped 20...  (or possibly higher.  I hadn't taken time to learn the differences in the monetary system yet and probably somehow mistook some loonies for the quarter equivalent. :P )

[Era Might]

I ate at McDonalds in Montreal once. The ketchup tasted sugary.