An Applebee's Diner Refused To Leave A Tip For Religious Reasons

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

defrauding laborers of there wages is a mortal sin, depending on intentions and full consent, the person may have just had a majorly bad day and doesn't do such by habit.

[Papist]

The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.

Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower. The criticism of religion disillusions man, so that he will think, act, and fashion his reality like a man who has discarded his illusions and regained his senses, so that he will move around himself as his own true Sun. Religion is only the illusory Sun which revolves around man as long as he does not revolve around himself.

It is, therefore, the task of history, once the other-world of truth has vanished, to establish the truth of this world. It is the immediate task of philosophy, which is in the service of history, to unmask self-estrangement in its unholy forms once the holy form of human self-estrangement has been unmasked. Thus, the criticism of Heaven turns into the criticism of Earth, the criticism of religion into the criticism of law, and the criticism of theology into the criticism of politics.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/intro.htm

 

I suggest you don't eat just any mushrooms you find on the ground.

[BG45]

...and....?

 

And it's wrong for people on the internet to go on a vigilante hunt for someone's offline details because they were a jerk, then post said details, encourage death threats, and send death threats...which is what a number of online Atheists have done in response to the firing.

[Roamin Catholic]

It seems a lot of you are forgetting that Federal Labor Laws state that a tipped employee must make at least minimum wage when base is combined with tips. 

 

A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee’s tips combined with the employer’s direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.

 

Since they are going to be paid at least minimum wage no matter what; the "they only make $3.50 an hour and depend upon tips to live" argument doesn't fly with me. If I receive good service, yes I'll tip. But if I receive poor service I don't hesitate to not tip or give a very low tip that usually just rounds out my bill. 

 

You are not entitled to a tip. You have to earn it by giving good service. 

Edited February 4, 2013 by Roamin_Catholic

[Anomaly]

If they take your order, place the order in the kitchen, bring the food out, bring any forks, knives or water that you need, they are entitled to the standard tip.

 

As far as attitude, I generally have a warm and thankful attitude with the person bringing my food, and 99% of the time get a good or great attitude in return.  I'm not always warm and friendly, and don't expect my food servers to have a better track record of human behavior than me.  It's been my observation that you get the attitude that you give.  If you regularly get crappy service, the reason is in the mirror.

 

I, and family and friends have worked in the restaraunt industry.  There are lots of legitimate reasons that the food isn't perfect, timely, or satisfactory that is not the fault of the server.  Say something to the manager if you have a problem.  Don't take it out on the server by not giving them their pay.  That is just a reason to be cheap.  And yes, I have had occaisions that I left a reduced tip.  Most people work hard for their money.

[Basilisa Marie]

It seems to me that anyone who has worked in the food service industry generally gives better tips than someone who hasn't.  

[ardillacid]

If my glass of beer is ever empty, no tip for the server. 

[Winchester]

The gratuity in this case is a legitimate added charge. The pastor should have been charged with theft of service. It's listed as part of the bill, and there are notifications on the menus.

[Slappo]

Here's my problem with the standard 15-20% tip:

 

Lets say my family and I go out for a meal. We are at the restaraunt for an hour from the time take our seats, place our orders and leave the restaraunt. We order $100 in food/drinks/sales tax for 6 people, which in my city would be a standard or even low price. Now a 20% tip is $20 bucks. We were there for an hour and were served for an hour. Let's even split it and say the waiter gets $15 and the bus boy gets $5. My family of 6 just paid the waiter a rate of $15 an hour for taking our orders, delivering our food, and stopping at our table 2-3 times after food was delivered (once to see how the food is, another to offer deserts, another to drop the bill). $15 an hour is twice as much as what the guy at walmart makes, and that's assuming I'm the only table the waiter is running. Sure maybe an hour is too short a time, but if we buy alcohol instead of soda then that bill jumps to $125. If we buy desert it jumps to $150 and the tip jumps with it.

 

I just went out for dinner on Saturday night and between 6 people the bill was around $115, and that wasn't including 2 beers we paid for at the bar counter. We were at the table for an hour and a half, and a lot of that was because it took a long time to get food.

I'm not saying waiters make big bucks (although I know restaraunts in town where the waiter brings home $400 in tips every night over the summer). What I'm saying is the wage I ought to pay them as a standard is big bucks for the service they provide me.

 

There are time when a restaraunt is dead slow and the waiter is making piddly because he has one table in 2 hrs. That's not my problem, and my wages paid to the waiter are not intended to compensate for the slow times at the restaraunt, they are intended to pay for the service the waiter provided me.

 

I don't agree with not tipping, but 20% is an awful lot of money on a $100 bill for an hour of service especially since I'm not the only table the waiter potentially has. I don't have the full undivided attention of the waiter (nor do I want it). Say the waiter spends 20 minutes on my table and I tip $20 bucks (15 for waiter 5 for busser). Now that's $15 for 20 min service which comes to $45 an hour!

 

(edited a bit)

Edited February 4, 2013 by Slappo

[Roamin Catholic]

If they take your order, place the order in the kitchen, bring the food out, bring any forks, knives or water that you need, they are entitled to the standard tip.

 

As far as attitude, I generally have a warm and thankful attitude with the person bringing my food, and 99% of the time get a good or great attitude in return.  I'm not always warm and friendly, and don't expect my food servers to have a better track record of human behavior than me.  It's been my observation that you get the attitude that you give.  If you regularly get crappy service, the reason is in the mirror.

 

I, and family and friends have worked in the restaraunt industry.  There are lots of legitimate reasons that the food isn't perfect, timely, or satisfactory that is not the fault of the server.  Say something to the manager if you have a problem.  Don't take it out on the server by not giving them their pay.  That is just a reason to be cheap.  And yes, I have had occaisions that I left a reduced tip.  Most people work hard for their money.

 

There are maybe two or three times in my life I havn't tipped at least 12 or 15%. Only one of those times I complained to the manager. The other time the manager contacted me since someone else in the party complained about the service provided to me. 

 

Usually, most people do enough to get the "standard tip". Once I tipped 20%, but that was the best service I've ever received.

 

I will never withhold tips due to food issues. I also cut them a large amount of slack on busy days/nights 

 

I'm sorry that I make you earn your pay. 

 

 

 

The gratuity in this case is a legitimate added charge. The pastor should have been charged with theft of service. It's listed as part of the bill, and there are notifications on the menus.

 

The tip was actually paid in this case. At least according to Applebee's. Supposedly, everyone in the party was charged and paid the tip. 

 

I have no problem with automatic tipping on large parties. Usually the waiter pays enough attention to that one table to warrant it. 

[Era Might]

Trotsky didn't tip. He thought it was demeaning to the waiter. Just your historical tidbit for the day.

[Nihil Obstat]

Trotsky didn't tip. He thought it was demeaning to the waiter. Just your historical tidbit for the day.

Was tipping expected in Russia at that time?

[Anomaly]

There are time when a restaraunt is dead slow and the waiter is making piddly because he has one table in 2 hrs. That's not my problem, and my wages paid to the waiter are not intended to compensate for the slow times at the restaraunt, they are intended to pay for the service the waiter provided me.

 

I don't agree with not tipping, but 20% is an awful lot of money on a $100 bill for an hour of service especially since I'm not the only table the waiter potentially has. I don't have the full undivided attention of the waiter (nor do I want it). Say the waiter spends 20 minutes on my table and I tip $20 bucks (15 for waiter 5 for busser). Now that's $15 for 20 min service which comes to $45 an hour!

 

(edited a bit)

 

Sorry, but the waiters do stuff at times when you aren't there.  They're opening, coming in to prep the place before you come, sort the silverware, wrap it in napkins, clean the bathrooms, clean the menus, stock the stations, wipe the chairs, help clean up the mess your 'adorable' toddler made learning to eat in a restarant, etc.  Waiters are compensated based on a percentage of the bill.  They are encouraged to be polite and aggreeable when they are serving you.  Often they help clear the tables, prepare soft drinks, etc.

 

You are paying for the entire package when you go out to eat.  You pay for the food you don't eat.  You pay for the pots and pans you don't see.  You pay for the oven and the cook.  You pay for the floor being swept.  You pay for the person who has to clear your mess up.  It's the way it's done in the US.  The average waiter isn't making a ton of money.  It's lousy hours, crappy customers, and their pay is 'docked' if the food isn't hot enough, fresh enough, tasty enough, fast enough, but they have no control over it.  If it was easy money, everyone would be doing it.  Don't be such a cheapskate and pay the bill with the percentage assumed that goes to the wait staff.

 

If you can't afford to eat out and pay your bill, don't go out.  Eat at home like I usually do.  I don't have much money.  Going out to eat at a Red Lobster is a big treat for my wife and I.  We enjoy our food, the atmosphere, the fact I don't have to set the table, clean fhe floor, clear my mess, go to the kitchen, etc., and ALWAYS tip and am pleasant to the wait staff.  I almost ALWAYS have a nice time and excellent to good service no matter where I eat.  It's the cost of doing business.

 

The only reason to NOT pay the tip at the standard rate of 18%, is the service was unusually BAD.  If that happens, then you have to consider how many waiters they had, how busy they were, how demanding some of the tables were, etc.  Slow food, cold food, bad food, etc. is almost NEVER the fault of the server.  Sometimes you have to give them a bit of slack.  I've had more than one waiteress thank my wife and I for being kind and polite to our surprise when we thought we were just being minimally cordial just saying please and thankyou.  We've been told were the first nice table they'd had in hours.

 

Like most jobs, you don't really know how bad it can sock until you do it.  If you don't like how it's done, then don't eat out at a place that has table service.  You don't tip at Chipotle's or China Star.

[Era Might]

Was tipping expected in Russia at that time?

 

Actually I got this from a story about his time in New York, before the revolution. I think there is some validity to the idea that it is demeaning.

[Anomaly]

There are maybe two or three times in my life I havn't tipped at least 12 or 15%. Only one of those times I complained to the manager. The other time the manager contacted me since someone else in the party complained about the service provided to me. 

 

Usually, most people do enough to get the "standard tip". Once I tipped 20%, but that was the best service I've ever received.

 

I will never withhold tips due to food issues. I also cut them a large amount of slack on busy days/nights 

 

I'm sorry that I make you earn your pay. 

 

 

 

 

The tip was actually paid in this case. At least according to Applebee's. Supposedly, everyone in the party was charged and paid the tip. 

 

I have no problem with automatic tipping on large parties. Usually the waiter pays enough attention to that one table to warrant it. 

That's minimal tipping.  You're what's called a "Canadian".  If you are a regular, the wait staff will remember who you are.  I don't mess with people bringing me food from a place where I can't see them.  :)