Guest Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 How do you know there's no God ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Hassan I don't understand how someone as smart as you can say for sure there is no God...I really don't...I could see an agnostic viewpoint but an athesit I don't get it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) I also dont understand how you can't see there pry is some spirtual realm beyond this life...Look at all the near death experiences...do you attribute that all to dmt or whatever ? Read proof of heaven by neurosurgeon Eben Alexander...Catholics pry wouldn't like it but it was a great read...I'll send it to you if you want it...What about all the accounts of ghost and stuff like that ? Or how the universe is created and earth orbits around the sun at a perfect distance ect ect ect...I could go on for days...I'm not even really talking about believing in the God of the Bible (which I do) but just a greater power in general...again as smart as you are it seems crazy for you to know for sure there is no God...Peace.. Edited February 4, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) As far as Mahony goes how can this guy still be active ? Still vote for Pope ect ect ect ? Is this real life ? How are people supposed to take anything the Church says on morals serious when nothing happens to a guy like this ? I agree with all church teachings even though I do a horrible job at following them. But how am I supposed to take church leaders serious telling me if I miss mass its a mortal sin and I'm going to hell. Or if I masturbate its a mortal sin and I'm going to hell. How am I supposed to take that serious when they let a guy like this off with basically no punishment. Anyhow just ranting. I'll keep going to confession and confessing missing mass and masturbating and all the other horrible stuff I do. Not being sarcastic I really do horrible stuff. I've been reading a lot of your comments Era Might and I agree with a lot you say. I hope you don't leave the Church though man. We are all in this together. Edited February 4, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 As far as Mahony goes how can this guy still be active ? Still vote for Pope ect ect ect ? Is this real life ? How are people supposed to take anything the Church says on morals serious when nothing happens to a guy like this ? I agree with all church teachings even though I do a horrible job at following them. But how am I supposed to take church leaders serious telling me if I miss mass its a mortal sin and I'm going to hell. Or if I masturbate its a mortal sin and I'm going to hell. How am I supposed to take that serious when they let a guy like this off with basically no punishment. Anyhow just ranting. I'll keep going to confession and confessing missing mass and masturbating and all the other horrible stuff I do. Not being sarcastic I really do horrible stuff. I've been reading a lot of your comments Era Might and I agree with a lot you say. I hope you don't leave the Church though man. We are all in this together. DB - the Church is not a corporation and does not function as one. The Pope is the supreme pontiff, but he is not a dictator without absolute power over every single thing. You are equating Mahoney's faculties on earth with your eternal reward/punishment. Nowhere near the same, nor are they functioning on the same level. Canon law says all cardinals below 80 can vote if they show up. The Church is bound by canon law in her daily functions. The law can be changed. Before you start slinging stones at Christ's bride, how about doing some research into the actual process required to laicize a bishop. That is your assignment: do the research and report back to the pham. hop to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Sorry for slinging stones...Forgive me...Godbless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) " I maintain that the human mystery is incredibly demeaned by scientific reductionism, with its claim in promissory materialism to account eventually for all of the spirtual world in terms of patterns of neuronal activity. This belief must be classed as a superstition...we have to recognize that we are spirtual beings with souls existing in a spirtual world as well as material beings with bodies and brains existing in a material world." -Sir John C. Eccles (1903-1997) Edited February 4, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 DB - the Church is not a corporation and does not function as one. The Pope is the supreme pontiff, but he is not a dictator without absolute power over every single thing. You are equating Mahoney's faculties on earth with your eternal reward/punishment. Nowhere near the same, nor are they functioning on the same level. Canon law says all cardinals below 80 can vote if they show up. The Church is bound by canon law in her daily functions. The law can be changed. Before you start slinging stones at Christ's bride, how about doing some research into the actual process required to laicize a bishop. That is your assignment: do the research and report back to the pham. hop to it. Okay, the Church isn't JUST a corporation. But it DOES have a human element, both in make-up and organization. If it was a strictly Divine Institution, than wouldn't a Perfect Divinity keep it strictly Perfect? Catholics freely admit the Church is Human AND Divine. It's the Human element that has to be dealt with in human terms. The fact that a person who has displayed morraly corrupt behavior, over a period of time, remains in a position of power and influence is the problem. That undermines the claim of Divine Supervision when it doesn't correct iteself. The reality is, the Church claims a superior Divine Participation that directs and maintains the Church (which is make of humans). The fact that there isn't a discernible better rate of abuse than the average School system is telling. The fact that the Church is reluctant and resistant to make the obvious corrections to discipline and punish the Clergy that abuse their power and position to sexually prey on young or vulnerable is telling. Do the research and find out what Mahony had done over many years that only has resulted in an superficial administrative discipline action, allowing him to keep his power, influence, and votes in determining the leaders of the Church. If the Church (as you claim, is the Bride of Christ) leaders are ultimately accountable to God's Divine Judgement, as a institution in the earthly realm, they are also accountable to human application of moral judgement and punishment as humans living in Society. Read the Catechism of the right of Civil Authority and it's power and purpose as an extension of God's Authority. 2238 Those subject to authority should regard those in authority as representatives of God, who has made them stewards of his gifts:43 "Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution. . . . Live as free men, yet without using your freedom as a pretext for evil; but live as servants of God."44 Their loyal collaboration includes the right, and at times the duty, to voice their just criticisms of that which seems harmful to the dignity of persons and to the good of the community. The Priests and Bishops and other Clergy are not above moral Civil Law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJon16 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 There is no God. The reason that the Church faced this problem is the same reason that the Shia equivalent instituion faces simmilar problems in Iran. In neither case will prayer for the Priests or the Clerics make the slightest bit of difference. Well, give it time and one of us will be proved wrong one way or the other. Either I die, find nothing, and so wish to return to indulge my life in a whole meaningless, self-pleasing obscurity. Or you die, find something, and so wish to return to earn it. Until then though, please let us continue to sink our efforts into a debate that doesn't really matter. Maybe we can finally kill that dead horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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