Socialists

[4588686]

This is not a socialist

 

 

This is a successful American politician with liberal sympathies and a pathology for being a symbol of compromise in American politics.  He wants to strike a 'grand bargain' with the Republican leadership while helping America inch towards a more centrist liberal, technocratic future.  Much like the core states of the EU.  

 

 

 

 

 

These are Socialists:

 

http://jacobinmag.com/issue/modify-your-dissent/

 

If you will compare the things that they say with the things that Obama says (he says, not what Rush Limbaugh says he said) you will notice a marked difference between the two.  You will also notice that the socialists don't much like Obama.  

[Groo the Wanderer]

he is a bastige

[Maximilianus]

"I'm not a socialist, I only play one TV"

[MIKolbe]

he is a bastige

so's your face

[r2Dtoo]

Well, that's interesting Hasan.  Virtually everyone I know on both the right and the left agree that Obama gave the most liberal inaugural address in history , and his days as trying to compromise with the GOP are over.  I'm curious as to why you're still holding-out for some grand-bargin.

This is not a socialist

 

 

This is a successful American politician with liberal sympathies and a pathology for being a symbol of compromise in American politics.  He wants to strike a 'grand bargain' with the Republican leadership while helping America inch towards a more centrist liberal, technocratic future.  Much like the core states of the EU.  

 

[Ash Wednesday]

Socialist or not, I still think he's the worst president we've ever had (so far, anyway.)

Edited January 25, 2013 by Ash Wednesday

[PadrePioOfPietrelcino]

The reality is that the United States has been moving towards Socialism since FDR. Hasan...I find your analysis as lacking...Numerous times President Obama has cut off discussions with elected officials mid sentence. interrupting them and saying "the election is over I've won" this is not somebody with a pathology of compromise. The President has shown his ability to compromise is only in the words he speaks during an election.

Why is this not in the debate table?

[Era Might]

The reality is that the United States has been moving towards Socialism since FDR.

 

One could just as well say the United States has been moving toward Socialism since the Founding Fathers. In Marxist thought capitalism is a necessary step before socialism (though Russia tried to make the leap to socialism without the capitalist stage). The recognition of "the people" as the basis of society disrupted traditional social orders...without that disruption, socialism makes no sense.

Edited January 25, 2013 by Era Might

[4588686]

Well, that's interesting Hasan.  Virtually everyone I know on both the right and the left agree that Obama gave the most liberal inaugural address in history , and his days as trying to compromise with the GOP are over.  I'm curious as to why you're still holding-out for some grand-bargin.

 

I'm not holding out for one.  I think it's a bad idea.  But if you follow the news it seems that he still wants one.

 

 

That is besides the point, however, since liberals are not socialists.  

[PadrePioOfPietrelcino]

If you want to tie back into political evolution theories, then I suppose you have a point. I was not intending to go that far, but more expressing that FDR's New Deal dramatically changed how many American's viewed Government responsibility, personal wealth, taxes, and many other areas which IMHO really was the changing point of real concern when considering the U.S.A.'s moving towards the Socialist road...before FDR I would contend that the majority of Socialist ( although not all) movements had been rebuffed and guarded against.

[4588686]

If you want to tie back into political evolution theories, then I suppose you have a point. I was not intending to go that far, but more expressing that FDR's New Deal dramatically changed how many American's viewed Government responsibility, personal wealth, taxes, and many other areas which IMHO really was the changing point of real concern when considering the U.S.A.'s moving towards the Socialist road...before FDR I would contend that the majority of Socialist ( although not all) movements had been rebuffed and guarded against.

 

You can contend that but it is not historically substantiated.  America had a much stronger socialist movement before FDR than after.  FDR saved capitalism in America.

[PadrePioOfPietrelcino]

You can contend that but it is not historically substantiated. America had a much stronger socialist movement before FDR than after. FDR saved capitalism in America.

there may have been socialist movement before FDR, but it had no real traction. The New Deal is what started the ball moving in any significant way. I think the tea party is a comparable example. Yes the movement is there, yes the interest is there, but there is a lack of political capital for any real movement in the tea party's direction at the moment. I see the Socialist movement in America much the same. Social Security, works project admin...ect they were all meant to be temporary programs, but are socialist in basic nature.

again...while I personally am enjoying this topic at the moment...why is this not in the debate table? Edited January 25, 2013 by PadrePioOfPietrelcino

[Era Might]

there may have been socialist movement before FDR, but it had no real traction. The New Deal is what started the ball moving in any significant way. I think the tea party is a comparable example. Yes the movement is there, yes the interest is there, but there is a lack of political capital for any real movement in the tea party's direction at the moment. I see the Socialist movement in America much the same. Social Security, works project admin...ect they were all meant to be temporary programs, but are socialist in basic nature.

again...while I personally am enjoying this topic at the moment...why is this not in the debate table?

 

How do you define socialism? Government involvement in the economy? Government using taxes to ensure a social safety net?

Edited January 25, 2013 by Era Might

[CatherineM]

The only thing I've seen him compromise is the US Constituion.

[Papist]

Redistribution of the wealth.  No. That is not socialism.