The Church's Position On Defense Of Oneself And Family.

[4588686]

actually it has already happened in michigan, but your loony left media makes no mention of it.

 

Is Fox part of the loony left media?  There is no 'there' there.  

 

 

They are already attacking patriots and watching them every where. Military helicopters have been spotted, some were even firing. So you can be happy theyre already trying to squash us. 

http://www.torn-republic.com/2012/06/what-michigan-patriots-may-have-been.html?spref=fb

 

 

I guess you're right.  You should probably stop posting on the internet.  I'd take the the woods and live off nature if I were you.  It's probably your best bet.  

Edited January 30, 2013 by Hasan

[4588686]

The source is the Kremlin? Russian news sources--at the top of my list!

 

I tried to find this story in the Russian press and, shockingly, could find nothing.  Other than Russian translations of the English Language article from the same racist and quasi fascist blog that his inane source originally quoted.   I'd love to find the FSB report that the article was citing but could again, shockingly, find nothing.  You'd think that they Russian Press would love to cite a FSB report about hundreds of Americans killed in a clash with federal authorities.  The FSB is not an organization that believes in transparency or the freedom of information.  I know from research experience that trying to find basic information that they've collected on things like the number of terrorist incidents that have occurred in the Northern Caucasus since the year 2000 is a struggle.  They do occasionally release false reports for political purposes (such as claimed statements and letters from Chechen terrorists that appear to be fabricated, specifically the terrorist Shamil Basayev) but I couldn't even find that.  

[Fidei Defensor]

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8971311

 

That reports a military training exercise.  The Russian source claims hundreds were killed.  There is a difference between those two sources. I'm going to trust the American one considering this happened in America, not Russia.

[4588686]

You do have to hand it to his blog, though.  Other right wing crazy cites claimed that the KGB released the information.  At least the FSB still exists.  

I would also note that the Russian language source that I found citing a Russian translation of an English source was accompanied by the poster talking about how stupid the, what seems to be, original (ad English language) article is.  

The site that seems to have produced the original article did have another blockbuster story that people should really check out:


http://www.eutimes.net/2011/02/us-earthquake-weapon-test-fails-again-destroys-new-zealand-city/

[4588686]

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=380+%D0%90%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9+%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B1+%D0%B2+%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5&oq=380+%D0%90%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9+%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B1+%D0%B2+%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5&gs_l=hp.3...2204.19936.0.20756.2.2.0.0.0.0.112.213.0j2.2.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1j2.7Sfvy3Z8A48&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41642243,d.b2I&fp=139956e3c17019da&biw=1366&bih=667

 

That's the google page that comes up if you search '380 Американский Погиб в Мичигане'  No actual Russian news reports come up.  As far as I can tell it's all citations of the English language blog.  

[Nihil Obstat]

I tried to find this story in the Russian press and, shockingly, could find nothing.  Other than Russian translations of the English Language article from the same racist and quasi fascist blog that his inane source originally quoted.   I'd love to find the FSB report that the article was citing but could again, shockingly, find nothing.  You'd think that they Russian Press would love to cite a FSB report about hundreds of Americans killed in a clash with federal authorities.  The FSB is not an organization that believes in transparency or the freedom of information.  I know from research experience that trying to find basic information that they've collected on things like the number of terrorist incidents that have occurred in the Northern Caucasus since the year 2000 is a struggle.  They do occasionally release false reports for political purposes (such as claimed statements and letters from Chechen terrorists that appear to be fabricated, specifically the terrorist Shamil Basayev) but I couldn't even find that.  

 

 

You do have to hand it to his blog, though.  Other right wing crazy cites claimed that the KGB released the information.  At least the FSB still exists.  

I would also note that the Russian language source that I found citing a Russian translation of an English source was accompanied by the poster talking about how stupid the, what seems to be, original (ad English language) article is.  

The site that seems to have produced the original article did have another blockbuster story that people should really check out:


http://www.eutimes.net/2011/02/us-earthquake-weapon-test-fails-again-destroys-new-zealand-city/

 

 

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=380+%D0%90%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9+%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B1+%D0%B2+%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5&oq=380+%D0%90%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9+%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B1+%D0%B2+%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5&gs_l=hp.3...2204.19936.0.20756.2.2.0.0.0.0.112.213.0j2.2.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1j2.7Sfvy3Z8A48&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41642243,d.b2I&fp=139956e3c17019da&biw=1366&bih=667

 

That's the google page that comes up if you search '380 Американский Погиб в Мичигане'  No actual Russian news reports come up.  As far as I can tell it's all citations of the English language blog.  

I have zero idea what we are even talking about now, but it sounds hilarious.

[Winchester]

Anything claiming that hundreds of citizens were murdered by the government is suspect. Normally, the government murders in small batches--it's been many years since the Wounded Knee Massacre. Now it's one or two people murdered in the name of whichever prohibition the goons are enforcing.

[KnightofChrist]

The Second Amendment is a very Catholic principle.

 

THE CATHOLIC SECOND AMENDMENT
By David B. Kopel

At the beginning of the second millennium, there was no separation of church and state,
and kings ruled the church. Tyrannicide was considered sinful. By the end of the
thirteenth century, however, everything had changed. The “Little Renaissance” that
began in the eleventh century led to a revolution in political and moral philosophy, so
that using force to overthrow a tyrannical government became a positive moral duty. The
intellectual revolution was an essential step in the evolution of Western political
philosophy that eventually led to the American Revolution.

 

Continue reading...

 

[Socrates]

Basking in ones own sense of victimization tends to go hand in hand with a frantic need to externalize the desire to feel persecuted by buying lots of guns just in case the government decides to wage war on it's own citizens.  In such instances an AR15 will not be helpful since the American military would still bomb the hell out of any rebellion from tends of thousands of feet up but there's no need to think critically about that.  It is ironic that the same corporations that fund organizations like the NRA which whip up hysteria about the need of an armed citizenry to defend against government aggression are the same corporations whose intense lobbying of congress created the glut of arms in the pentagon which then pushed those supplies to police stations across the country (need to make room to have more reasons to buy more guns) and led the very paramilitarized police forces that these people are so (legitimately) concerned about and have helped inflate a pentagon budget which is so massive that any sort of violent resistance on the part of American citizens would quickly be smashed by predator drones. 

 

Indeed.  I suppose Madison, Jefferson, Mason, Washington, Adams et al. were likewise whipped into frantic hysteria through the funding of Big Evil Corporations.  It all makes sense now.

 

 

Of course, it's much easier to blather about the NRA and "corporations" like some "Occupy" hippie than to actually address anyone's arguments.

[4588686]

Indeed.  I suppose Madison, Jefferson, Mason, Washington, Adams et al. were likewise whipped into frantic hysteria through the funding of Big Evil Corporations.  It all makes sense now.

 

I wonder if different events, separated by hundreds of years, might have different causes.  

 

 

Of course, it's much easier to blather about the NRA and "corporations" like some "Occupy" hippie than to actually address anyone's arguments.

 

 

What argument have you made that you think I should address?

[KnightofChrist]

What argument have you made that you think I should address?

Why do you trust government so much? Can you promise or guarantee based on object facts that ours will never betray us and abuse us? Would there ever be a case or cases where you would feel compelled to fight against a government that gravely abused your liberty? If there are such cases how would you fight back if you are defenseless?

[Socrates]

I wonder if different events, separated by hundreds of years, might have different causes.  

 

I think the fundamental underlying principles of the right of people to defend themselves is just as true today as it was a couple hundred years ago, or a couple thousand years ago - and will continue to be true thousands of years in the future.

 

Tyranny may be more popular in America today than in the past, but that doesn't make it any more right.

 

What argument have you made that you think I should address?

 

That's up to you to decide, but if you have nothing meaningful to contribute, it's probably best to simply leave the discussion alone.

[Jesus_lol]

Still havent got a good answer on why "assault weapons" need to be banned. or what makes them distinct enough to define and ban without making the vast majority of guns in the USA also banned, without resorting to cosmetic feature bans. Or, if you cant do that, but still decide your opinion that they should be banned anyways is correct, go ahead and explain why you think banning something based on the way it looks is at all reasonable.

[4588686]

I think the fundamental underlying principles of the right of people to defend themselves is just as true today as it was a couple hundred years ago, or a couple thousand years ago - and will continue to be true thousands of years in the future.

 

Tyranny may be more popular in America today than in the past, but that doesn't make it any more right.

 

 

So tyranny was not more popular back when huge portions of the population were either actually enslaved or living under a violently enforced system of apartheid and this state was affirmed as just and good by most of the population.  Tyranny is more popular now because of, I guess, the individual mandate?  That's a uniquely conservative line of thinking.  

[KnightofChrist]

So tyranny was not more popular back when huge portions of the population were either actually enslaved or living under a violently enforced system of apartheid and this state was affirmed as just and good by most of the population.  Tyranny is more popular now because of, I guess, the individual mandate?  That's a uniquely conservative line of thinking.  

 

Perhaps if Bush had issued a dictatorial mandate (like Obama's dictatorial mandate) forcing you against your will to pay for providing gun right activists free guns you'd see things with a bit more clarity rather than be blinded by bias.

Edited February 1, 2013 by KnightofChrist