Groo the Wanderer Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 It makes God sad when you ignore my glorious posts. haven't seen one yet. not a single one. evar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I'd hope I'd handle it the way Saint Maximilian Kolbe did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 (edited) It's also moral to permit a kidnapper to take you, but that doesn't make it immoral to resist. Even if the kidnapper wears a cute little costume. And all government officials who participated in the internment were guilty of kidnapping. Edited January 13, 2013 by Winchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 I was actually expecting there to be at least a few people voting that all resistance would be immoral. Was looking forward to a good discussion on that one. Catherine and Debra, why do you think that using force to resist would be immoral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 THere was nonviolent resistance in the form of legal battles. Korematsu v. U.S. comes to mind in 1944. The Supreme Court held that Fred Korematsu's liberty was secondary to the threat of espionage. Justice Murphy dissented, saying it was outright racism. Justice Jackson, who would be one of the judges at the Nuremburg Tribunals, agreed also that the executive order was racist, but said that it was outside the scope of the Supreme Court's power to rule on military matters. Justice Jackson said, in his dissent: [quote]Korematsu was born on our soil, of parents born in Japan. The Constitution makes him a citizen of the United States by nativity and a citizen of California by residence. No claim is made that he is not loyal to this country. There is no suggestion that apart from the matter involved here he is not law abiding and well disposed. Korematsu, however, has been convicted of an act not commonly a crime. It consists merely of being present in the state whereof he is a citizen, near the place where he was born, and where all his life he has lived. [...] [H]is crime would result, not from anything he did, said, or thought, different than they, but only in that he was born of different racial stock. Now, if any fundamental assumption underlies our system, it is that guilt is personal and not inheritable. Even if all of one's antecedents had been convicted of treason, the Constitution forbids its penalties to be visited upon him. But here is an attempt to make an otherwise innocent act a crime merely because this prisoner is the son of parents as to whom he had no choice, and belongs to a race from which there is no way to resign. If Congress in peace-time legislation should enact such a criminal law, I should suppose this Court would refuse to enforce it.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Nihil Obstat" data-cid="2532500" data-time="1358122968"><p> I was actually expecting there to be at least a few people voting that all resistance would be immoral. Was looking forward to a good discussion on that one.<br /> <br /> Catherine and Debra, why do you think that using force to resist would be immoral?</p></blockquote> I'm not sure the word immoral is really what I was thinking about. I'm a survivor and a realist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 Ok, but I am getting at the morality of resistance here. Prudence aside, I am interested in what people think on the morality of resistance, with or without varying degrees of force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 :think: Really hard to say. For some, I think use of force is justified. For others, I could see it not being. Vivo Cristo Rey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYbfMIsuYZE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYbfMIsuYZE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 THere was nonviolent resistance in the form of legal battles. Korematsu v. U.S. comes to mind in 1944. The Supreme Court held that Fred Korematsu's liberty was secondary to the threat of espionage. Justice Murphy dissented, saying it was outright racism. Justice Jackson, who would be one of the judges at the Nuremburg Tribunals, agreed also that the executive order was racist, but said that it was outside the scope of the Supreme Court's power to rule on military matters. Justice Jackson said, in his dissent: I say heartily: Screw the Supreme Court and screw the asinine belief that an arm of the Federal Government is supposed to be the final arbiter. Cue cartoon history defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Nihil maybe you should ask George Takai. He's on Facebook and was interred during the war. Message him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I'm curious how it wouldn't be moral to resist kidnapping and assault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpence Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I think it would be fine to resist, personally I would not use force, but I couldn't blame anyone if they did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 This entire situation reminds me of something that happened in my town. The night of the tornado, cops were going house to house saying "Marshall Law. You have to get out and go to the buses at the Dillons store." They went to our friend's house and said this, and he pulled out his shotgun, pumped it, and said "Marshall Law: Get the hell out of my house." This really has no point, I just wanted to share because that guy is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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