Apotheoun Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 The Eastern Orthodox Churches and the Oriental Orthodox Churches are 'catholic', because they have true sacraments and celebrate a valid Eucharist which means that their particular Churches, while not in full communion with Rome, are true Churches that still manifest the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. This is not the case with the various Protestant sects, which have not maintained apostolic succession and consequently do not have a valid Eucharist. To put it another way, according to Roman Catholic (and Eastern Catholic) teaching, the one catholic and apostolic Church of Christ is present wherever the Eucharist is validly celebrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 how about.... Bacon Lover Bacon Agnostic I Hate Bacon Bacon Evangelist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 how about.... Bacon Lover Bacon Agnostic I Hate Bacon Bacon Evangelist Bacon is tasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Some people still haven't learned that life isn't always "fair" and still believe that they should have everything exactly the way they want it. I presume you mean for this to apply to the people who want the tag system changed. If so, I think it's a little harsh, given that the tag system already is the way that some people want it, and yet we don't chide them for being this kind of unlearned person, only because they've no reason to speak up. Sometimes a complaint is legitimate and not just a personal whim. Life is such that everyone can not always be pleased. Best to learn that. Now I'm sure that's who you meant it to apply to. Really, ouch. Lighten up. We're just having a discussion in here. No one's bashing PM. We're just beating around ideas. There are a million ways to do things... how about.... Bacon Lover Bacon Agnostic I Hate Bacon Bacon Evangelist Wait. Did I miss something? When did PM become Jewish? :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I presume you mean for this to apply to the people who want the tag system changed. If so, I think it's a little harsh, given that the tag system already is the way that some people want it, and yet we don't chide them for being this kind of unlearned person, only because they've no reason to speak up. Sometimes a complaint is legitimate and not just a personal whim. Now I'm sure that's who you meant it to apply to. Really, ouch. Lighten up. We're just having a discussion in here. No one's bashing PM. We're just beating around ideas. There are a million ways to do things... Wait. Did I miss something? When did PM become Jewish? :-P You compared the tag system to Nazi Germany and you're telling someone else to lighten up about this discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 You compared the tag system to Nazi Germany and you're telling someone else to lighten up about this discussion? No, I offered an analogy that I immediately acknowledged as "very exaggerated" and I immediately accepted a better one as soon as someone offered it, since my mind wasn't functioning at optimal capacity at the time I posted. Honestly, the number of ad hominem attacks in here boggles the mind. Can you not argue against a person's ideas rather than their person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 No, I offered an analogy that I immediately acknowledged as "very exaggerated" and I immediately accepted a better one as soon as someone offered it, since my mind wasn't functioning at optimal capacity at the time I posted. Honestly, the number of ad hominem attacks in here boggles the mind. Can you not argue against a person's ideas rather than their person? An analogy is a comparison, therefore, you compared. Yes, you stated it was very exaggerated, but then, did it really need to be said at all? I'm sorry, but I find it offensive to the people who were actually involved in genocide when people even loosely compare minor upsets with the injustices with which genocide victims were faced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 An analogy is a comparison, therefore, you compared. Yes, you stated it was very exaggerated, but then, did it really need to be said at all? I'm sorry, but I find it offensive to the people who were actually involved in genocide when people even loosely compare minor upsets with the injustices with which genocide victims were faced. Oh... ok. So if I say, "Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?" then I'm actually saying that you're just like a summer's day in every way? No. I'm saying that you share certain qualities with a summer's day that I can exploit for poetic purposes. I'm not saying you're distinguished by being long or having high temperatures or facilitating the rapid breeding of massive swarms of mosquitoes. If you "disagree," take it up with Shakespeare. Just like, in comparing the tag system to German Jews, I was not drawing on the extermination or hatred associations we have with Jews—as everyone on PM knows would be absurd—but only upon the likeness of being "marked" as different. As I have already said in my response to the person who offered a better wording than I. What I did not do was personally attack someone as "unlearned" or imply that they're immature and childish for pointing out something that hurts their feelings, but is apparently an unpopular opinion around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Is this accurate? Light and Truth's OP in this thread asked why she is not a Phatmasser, and Basilisa Marie's immediate response was: "Because you're a non-Catholic. Phatmasser is the general user who isn't Church Militant, Non-Catholic, or Phisy or a mod." So I was of the understanding that, no matter how many posts a non-Catholic makes, s/he will never be made a Phatmasser. Is this wrong? Are non-Catholics given that tag based upon the content of their posts, or based upon their self-reported religion? No. Phatmasser is the default group that everyone goes in. It's not a tag that's given. At some point every person here has been a Phatmasser. All other tags are added in after someone was shown themselves in one way or another (through time and getting to know them over the course of months and years) 100% Catholic, not Catholic (yes, they always identify themselves as another religion/denomination/atheist/agnostic/something NOT Catholic), or not wholly faithful to the Magisterium (this usually by declaring "I don't agree with the Church on ABC/XYZ..."). See that little tab at the top of the page that says "Pham" and shows the name of every single member of this phorum? Yeah, that's because we're ALL Pham. No matter what our tag says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 And with that, this thread is done. Thanks for all the contributions from those in the know. If you still have questions, PM a moderator. (You can find a list on the phorum home page.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I have solved the problem. Thread now open again to thank me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 dUSt, I think the titles were just fine. Best not to get into the whole, "I am what I say I am" argument, and let the titles fall on people by what they say. Also no need for extra titles. It will just confuse people more. Oh - I didn't realize it was closed... I'm sure whatever you just changed is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I do not know why you would hope I am sarcastic about dividing people into groups of Catholic, Other Christian, Other Theist, and Non-Theist. Another website I am on has a section for Christians only, theists only, everyone, and non-theist; and for that site, it works. That is where I got the idea from. You are welcome to think it is a horrible idea. Other forums probably have non-lazy people maintain the groups. Less groups = less maintenance. I follow the K.I.S.S. philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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