Autumn Dusk Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I say we bring back the games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I say we bring back the games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 seriously nihil? Don't you remember the GAMES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I VOLUNTEER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 seriously nihil? Don't you remember the GAMES! I did not like them very much. :| Too much blood and murder. And that part where Dust decides who lives and who dies was a bit wack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 It's also probably so that lurkers don't get confused and think you're Catholic when you post an opinion that might be contrary to what the Catholic Church believes, and no one is around to contradict you. A Catholic can just as easily say something out of line with Church teaching out of sheer ignorance. And the damage may be that much worse, because they are labeled "Catholic". Any innocent wandering around here looking for advice may assume that someone with 3,000 posts and the label "Catholic" knows more than him/her, and thus take what that person says without much critical thought. For this reason, I actually think that not having labels (1) forces people to take what EVERYONE says with a giant internet-grain of salt, and (2) does not make non-Catholics feel "marked" like—forgive me the comparison, it's very exaggerated—German Jews. I just really don't like it. This is a website, after all, not the Communion line. If anyone SHOULD be marked, I think it's Church scholars. And possibly priests/religious (if they choose to be). Everyone else, as far as I'm concerned, ought to be left unmarked. That way people will be forced to form judgments about the reliability of what anyone says by the collective evidence of that person's previous posts, reputation, other people's replies, etc.—not just one post and a label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I'm sure Dust must be glued to this topic, and will totally follow all recommendations within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 A Catholic can just as easily say something out of line with Church teaching out of sheer ignorance. And the damage may be that much worse, because they are labeled "Catholic". Any innocent wandering around here looking for advice may assume that someone with 3,000 posts and the label "Catholic" knows more than him/her, and thus take what that person says without much critical thought. For this reason, I actually think that not having labels (1) forces people to take what EVERYONE says with a giant internet-grain of salt, and (2) does not make non-Catholics feel "marked" like—forgive me the comparison, it's very exaggerated—German Jews. I just really don't like it. This is a website, after all, not the Communion line. If anyone SHOULD be marked, I think it's Church scholars. And possibly priests/religious (if they choose to be). Everyone else, as far as I'm concerned, ought to be left unmarked. That way people will be forced to form judgments about the reliability of what anyone says by the collective evidence of that person's previous posts, reputation, other people's replies, etc.—not just one post and a label. This is so wrong, I don't know where to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 For this reason, I actually think that not having labels (1) forces people to take what EVERYONE says with a giant internet-grain of salt, and (2) does not make non-Catholics feel "marked" like—forgive me the comparison, it's very exaggerated—German Jews. I just really don't like it. I personally have never felt stigmatized on phatmass and the tag has never made me feel unwelcome. I think people can still take the 'Catholic' group with a grain of salt but I think it really helps clear up confusion. Otherwise I have people trying to reach out to me to let me know that my views are outside of the bounds of what a faithful Catholic may believe. Which is well meaning but a waste of time for the concerned party since I have no desire to be faithful to the magesterium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 This is so wrong, I don't know where to start. Really? How? dUSt, why don't you take a poll and ask everyone what they'd prefer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 (edited) Really? How? Marked as "other", not marked for death. That's where I think the analogy falls short. Edited January 13, 2013 by Light and Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Really? How? A Catholic can just as easily say something out of line with Church teaching out of sheer ignorance. And the damage may be that much worse, because they are labeled "Catholic". Any innocent wandering around here looking for advice may assume that someone with 3,000 posts and the label "Catholic" knows more than him/her, and thus take what that person says without much critical thought. I am unsure something said out of ignorance 'may be' much worse (nor how would prove that) so let's dismiss that...but undoubtedly 1) the ignorance would be evident/manifest in the writting as a whole, and/or 2) someone would attempt to correct said ignorance. If I said something out of ignorance (lol, like that would happen), and you were to correct me, I could either A) stand corrected and admit it, B) stand corrected and not admit it, or 3) say I was not ignorant and keep going. Choices A and B are cool and 'would' not need a tag (assuming if it was B I did not go somewhere else to spout the same ignorance), if it were C, i could see a discussion for a 'non' tag. For this reason, I actually think that not having labels (1) forces people to take what EVERYONE says with a giant internet-grain of salt, and (2) does not make non-Catholics feel "marked" like—forgive me the comparison, it's very exaggerated—German Jews. I just really don't like it. Everyone is unmarked. That's what a Phatmasser is. (when your post count gets to a certain mark). All other tags are a function (sans clergy/religious and regulator) of the content of your posts, or as in my case, extreme coolness and power. The CM tag is given after one is 'nominated' by other CM's and other stuff... A Scholar tag is given by the admin after discussion with mods and other members. A Regulator tag is given when you are a mod. A Clergy/Religious tag is given if you are one of those...... A Non-Catholic tag is also given on the content of your posts. I will admit this tag and the Phisy tag can carry with them certain ambiguities and/or crossovers that are confusing (to me) and that I personally may or may not agree with (ie Kujo's phishy tag). But I understand the intent of the tag and the 'authoritah' of the one giving the tag; so cool beans. I believe it is this ambiguity that leads to most of the angst. I think it is this ambiguity that has led you to argue for no tags at all (save your exceptions). I think defining THROUGH any ambiguity would be the answer. This is a website, after all, not the Communion line. Really bad analogy, bordering on a reverse quasi straw man. I realize all analogies limp; but this one's on life support. There are zero functionality consequences of a 'non' tag. If anyone SHOULD be marked, I think it's Church scholars. And possibly priests/religious (if they choose to be). Everyone else, as far as I'm concerned, ought to be left unmarked. That way people will be forced to form judgments about the reliability of what anyone says by the collective evidence of that person's previous posts, reputation, other people's replies, etc.—not just one post and a label. The tags are not meant as punishments, but as a quick guide/reference/clue/hint/safety-precaution for those who don't know us all as well as we all do. At least, that is how I always saw them as, or read them explained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 (edited) I think defining THROUGH any ambiguity would be the answer. How are we supposed to do that? Are we all supposed to just give up our titles to say something about what we are believe? My church has real presence, the saints, apostolic succession, seven sacraments, more scripture than a Protestant, mortal sins as I just learned (which I admit I spoke inaccurately on a few weeks back somewhere in life), things like that, and I'm lumped with people who reject anything of God. Edited January 13, 2013 by Light and Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 How? Suppose the initative would be with dUSt. For everything your Church is, you reject the Catholic Church. Whatever the disagreements are (I am no scholar), there is a schism between us. Being lumped in with people who reject God isn't fair, i will grant you that. But we didn't ask you not to be Catholic, either. We didn't ask for your dissent. You have started many a thread about your choice of Church, and how it is not Catholic. Now you are upset you have a tag that says you are not Catholic. This is ironic to me. I (personally) think it would be better to have an Eastern tag; because clearly, as you say, you should not be lumped in with atheists. But then.. this begs the question... do we need an atheist tag, a confused tag, a cafeteria catholic tag, a convert tag, a revert tag, an apologist tag, a troll tag, etc..... Perhaps (though i really don't want to speak for dUSt) dUSt sees this and says, 'hey homie, that's too much work...i'll keep it as is, thank you, bro''? maybe..maybe not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Really? How? dUSt, why don't you take a poll and ask everyone what they'd prefer? Phatmass is not a democracy. It's a benevolent dictatorship... well, okay... not really. It's more of a puppet government. :evil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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