Why Am I Not A Phatmasser?

[dUSt]

OK, I have created an all encompassing, "None of the above" field. Hope that works.

[vee]

OK, I have created an all encompassing, "None of the above" field. Hope that works.

 

I love it!!

[dominicansoul]

dUSt should include "albigensian" :P

[Nihil Obstat]

I had thought we were talking about the member group, i.e. commoner, CM, non-Catholic, etc.. I thought that is the part that L&T objected to. Perhaps I misunderstood?

[Apotheoun]

If by that you mean Eastern Catholic, note my objection here. While I do not use the EC tag and will not unless there is a corresponding Western/Roman tag, I object to it being conferred on a non-EC, meaning one who does not hold communion with Rome. Just as if I were on an Orthodox forum, I would not insist on being labeled Orthodox, but would take the tag made for me.

 

 

This entire thing was tl;dr. What's the problem with the Oriental Orthodox tag?

It is simply inaccurate to deny the name Catholic to Eastern Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox, because their Churches are true Churches and as true Churches they manifest the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. I object to the denial of the word Catholic to members of those Churches, as Rome itself does in the various documents and agreements it has signed with those ancient Apostolic Churches.

[Apotheoun]

Light and Truth. What is your proposed solution?

The best solution is to simply give her the "Chummy Commoner" title, because the "Cordial Non-Catholic" title does not accurately expresses the fact that Light and Truth - as a member of the ancient Armenian Apostolic Church - is a member of a true local Catholic Church. She is Catholic, she's just not Roman Catholic.

Edited June 10, 2013 by Apotheoun

[Anastasia13]

Iif it bothers you that much the resolution is as simple as calling your local parish to being the RCIA process.

 

It was about the principle of the thing, and I already spoke to a local priest about this matter (not the website, the principle). From my own research, like Apo said, there are Roman documents that acknowledge our catholicity. If you are going to follow Rome, follow Rome. Simple as that.

 

Second, as a Catholic and with regards to RCIA, you should not give such confusing and often inaccurate advice about Roman communion practices. It confuses people. Orthodox require on a profession of faith to come into full communion and (RCIA text to paragraph 473 cited on teamrcia.com and CCEO 897, doctrinal and spiritual condition may need to be checked, but formal catechism not required and often covered by the time one has been participating in parish life). Also, unless making a request that I think would go to the bishop or something to join another rite, an Orthodox would by automatically enrolled in the sui iuris church closest to the Orthodox church the member would be changing from. RCIA is also a formal introduction to Roman rite Catholicism, and thus even less likely to be required of someone at an Eastern Rite parish.

Edited June 10, 2013 by Light and Truth

[Anastasia13]

The best solution is to simply give her the "Chummy Commoner" title, because the "Cordial Non-Catholic" title does not accurately expresses the fact that Light and Truth - as a member of the ancient Armenian Apostolic Church - is a member of a true local Catholic Church. She is Catholic, she's just not Roman Catholic.

That is what I wanted for months. Faith-a Catholic faith. Parish registered at-Armenian Apostolic. "Chummy Commoner" with "Oriental Orthodox" tag* acceptable?

 

*Tags are more clearly visible than the previous religion listing and thus eliminating much of the danger of confusion.

 

Also baring that the main difference between Armenian Orthodox and Armenian Catholic is not theology but administration, and this would differentiate the administrative rules and any subtle theological differences an Orthodox may abide by. Though not yet a comparative rites expert, I would imaging this is not the only such pair of churches (especially in the greater Middle East) like this.

 

Additionally, this would permit the respecting any limitations of communion that some might bring up while acknowledging the distinct relationship that the Orthodox have with Rome according to Rome.

Edited June 10, 2013 by Light and Truth

[Anastasia13]

It was about the principle of the thing, and I already spoke to a local priest about this matter (not the website, the principle). From my own research, like Apo said, there are Roman documents that acknowledge our catholicity. If you are going to follow Rome, follow Rome. Simple as that.

 

Second, as a Catholic and with regards to RCIA, you should not give such confusing and often inaccurate advice about Roman communion practices. It confuses people. Orthodox require [b]only[/b] a profession of faith to come into full communion and (RCIA text to paragraph 473 cited on teamrcia.com and CCEO 897, doctrinal and spiritual condition may need to be checked, but formal catechism not required and often covered by the time one has been participating in parish life). Also, unless making a request that I think would go to the bishop or something to join another rite, an Orthodox would by automatically enrolled in the sui iuris church closest to the Orthodox church the member would be changing from. RCIA is also a formal introduction to Roman rite Catholicism, and thus even less likely to be required of someone at an Eastern Rite parish.

 

[Byzantine]

That is what I wanted for months. Faith-a Catholic faith. Parish registered at-Armenian Apostolic. "Chummy Commoner" with "Oriental Orthodox" tag* acceptable?

I like this. Can we just do this and lock the thread?

[Anastasia13]

Obviously I do not speak for her, but I think most people would be content if she were in the same group as Apo.

 

Especially given that any areas of divergence from Orthodox teaching that I have typically lean toward Rome, and there are a couple minor points like that.

Edited June 10, 2013 by Light and Truth

[Anastasia13]

A priest who does Tridentine Mass told me otherwise. I'm just not your kind.

Correction: It's Latin, but I recently learned that not all Latin Masses are the same and have not been to the Latin one there. :shrug:

[Anastasia13]

Light and Truth. What is your proposed solution?

 

Obviously I do not speak for her, but I think most people would be content if she were in the same group as Apo.

(Apo's group being Chummy Commoner)
 

It is simply inaccurate to deny the name Catholic to Eastern Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox, because their Churches are true Churches and as true Churches they manifest the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. I object to the denial of the word Catholic to members of those Churches, as Rome itself does in the various documents and agreements it has signed with those ancient Apostolic Churches.

 

The best solution is to simply give her the "Chummy Commoner" title, because the "Cordial Non-Catholic" title does not accurately expresses the fact that Light and Truth - as a member of the ancient Armenian Apostolic Church - is a member of a true local Catholic Church. She is Catholic, she's just not Roman Catholic.

 

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I like this. Can we just do this and lock the thread?

(This being the quoted suggestion by Apo.)

 

Fun Facts: Fink, Nihil, and KightofChrist are probably the ones I have spent the most time discussing religion/faith here with, in fact, Fink was even explaining somethings with the way it was at a Mass I went a couple weeks ago and with devotions when I got a Marian devotions CD. I am currently 1/9 of the way through the Eastern Catholic code of canon law and have already cited it twice on this phorum, once here when correcting a (Roman) Catholic on Catholic procedures. Four out of six failed attempts of mine to visit and speak with a priest in full communion with Rome were with the Armenian Catholic Church priests, but the regularly closer Armenian priest considers Catholic and Orthodox two branches of the same trunk and said we have the same theology (which is at least on the eastern/Armenian side). There are significantly more Orthodox churches near me than Eastern rite Catholic churches.

 

I also would like to nominate Light and Truth for Church Militant.

 

I'll also nominate Light and Truth for Church Militant.

 

Edited June 15, 2013 by Light and Truth

[Anastasia13]

The religion field is freely chosen--so I don't understand why she is not?

Besides that not being the issue, it is like that out of geography (like which parish is closer) and respect for administrative differences.

Edited June 22, 2013 by Light and Truth