Why Am I Not A Phatmasser?

[AnneLine]

I rather like St. Hasa Perm

 

Or is it St. Hasa of Perm... the most Eastern City in Russia...?

 

http://www.uraltourism.com/perm.php

 

 

As far as the earlier options,  'Regulator of Phatmassers' might sound like a laxative, but probably better than 'Regulator of Butthurt'.   Just sayin....

[BG45]

I keep expecting to log in and find this thread locked with this picture from a mod:

[Anastasia13]

It's also probably so that lurkers don't get confused and think you're Catholic when you post an opinion that might be contrary to what the Catholic Church believes, and no one is around to contradict you. Just like how Phisy is supposed to be someone who claims they are Catholic but doesn't agree with/follow/whatever all of the Church's teachings. There are HUNDREDS of lurkers at any given time (HI ALL!  YOU SHOULD MAKE AN ACCOUNT AND JOIN US! :) ). 

 

This is also why I cannot completely and only be identified as an Oriental Orthodox, and thus I cannot be accurately labeled here.

Edited June 8, 2013 by Light and Truth

[Anastasia13]

Because you're a non-Catholic.

 

A priest who does Tridentine Mass told me otherwise. I'm just not your kind.

Edited June 9, 2013 by Light and Truth

[Nihil Obstat]

A priest who does Tridentine Mass told me otherwise. I'm just not your kind.

[Anastasia13]

Better question: why is this a thread?

 

Because I had a question and wanted to understand better (freaky, I know!) what I had said that made that change that seemed sudden after I had talked less about what church I attend

 

By the time I had the dignity and respect of a real answer, I had learned enough to disagree more with my title.

[Anastasia13]

This is what it is. If you want that thing you consider to be a more inclusive tag, convert. :like:

October, 2012, but special for people like this, we can now go with "Ash-hadu an la ilaha ill Allah."

Edited June 9, 2013 by Light and Truth

[Apotheoun]

A priest who does Tridentine Mass told me otherwise. I'm just not your kind.

And he was right. The members of the ancient Apostolic Churches of the East are Catholics, they're just not Roman Catholics.

[Basilisa Marie]

LT, if you want to be recognized as Orthodox, you probably shouldn't be impersonating a Muslim. :)

[Anastasia13]

LT, if you want to be recognized as Orthodox, you probably shouldn't be impersonating a Muslim. :)

 

I want those who claim to follow Rome to acknowledge:

-the Roman documents that note that the Catholic church exists where the Eucharist is validly celebrated

-the unique relationship that exists from a Roman perspective with the Eastern churches not in full-communion as differentiated from its relationships with other groups

-the Roman documentation that we have the same faith

 

If representing a Catholic perspective as differentiated from another is important, then I believe this is an issue that goes beyond the recognition of my catholicism.  I am but one person. This affects many. I can give you several issues with my own labeling, but I believe this fails to fully represent the Catholic perspective, and that is troubling. There is a distinction between recognizing the administrative differences and disregarding any catholocity even from a Roman perspective-I support the first and object to the second, particularly on a Catholic forum.  I am thus not labeled accurately according to Rome or Etchmiadzin, in contradiction to your official faith and mine.  This issue is not whether or not I am recognized as Orthodox, but rather that.

 

If anyone truly believes I am Muslim, let them see my user title, my about me section in my profile, read more than a couple of my posts, and think about what might be left off vs. what might be acceptable from a Middle Eastern Christian perspective.

Edited June 9, 2013 by Light and Truth

[Maggyie]

I want those who claim to follow Rome to acknowledge:

-the Roman documents that note that the Catholic church exists where the Eucharist is validly celebrated

-the unique relationship that exists from a Roman perspective with the Eastern churches not in full-communion as differentiated from its relationships with other groups

-the Roman documentation that we have the same faith

 

If representing a Catholic perspective as differentiated from another is important, then I believe this is an issue that goes beyond the recognition of my catholicism.  I am but one person. This affects many. I can give you several issues with my own labeling, but I believe this fails to fully represent the Catholic perspective, and that is troubling. There is a distinction between recognizing the administrative differences and disregarding any catholocity even from a Roman perspective-I support the first and object to the second, particularly on a Catholic forum.  I am thus not labeled accurately according to Rome or Etchmiadzin, in contradiction to your official faith and mine.  This issue is not whether or not I am recognized as Orthodox, but rather that.

 

If anyone truly believes I am Muslim, let them see my user title, my about me section in my profile, read more than a couple of my posts, and think about what might be left off vs. what might be acceptable from a Middle Eastern Christian perspective.

 

LT, the tiny little place on our avatars is not meant to contain a theological treatise on what it means to be in communion with the Holy See. I don't think so anyway.

 

It doesn't make any judgment about your actual spiritual membership in the Church or the state of your soul or your status in the eyes of God. That isn't dUst's pay grade nor does he claim it is, that I have seen.

 

What is his job, I think, is making things on this website make sense.

 

I could be a rip-roaring gay-rights-organizing Communist atheist in the real world. But if I come on phatmass and claim to be Catholic and never utter one word about my true beliefs guess what! I will have and keep the member title you are so desperate for.

 

Or I can be the most wonderful Christian in the world in real life, 99.9999999999999% Catholic in my speech, actions and spiritual practices. But if I also happen to publicly post on phatmass, "I am Orthodox" I would get the non-Catholic label.

 

This is not casting me into outer darkness or proclaiming I am not a member of the true church or not part of the body of Christ etc etc etc.

 

It's a category on a web phorum.

 

That's it.

 

You write "this affects many" and I assure you that it doesn't. The number of Orthodox of any variety who care about the administrative system on a (relatively) obscure web forum are very few. In addition many Orthodox don't agree with the Roman position that we more or less have the same faith. Perhaps your true beef should be with them.

 

You're very obsessed with this, and if it bothers you that much the resolution is as simple as calling your local parish to being the RCIA process.

[dUSt]

Light and Truth. What is your proposed solution?

[Nihil Obstat]

Obviously I do not speak for her, but I think most people would be content if she were in the same group as Apo.

[dUSt]

Obviously I do not speak for her, but I think most people would be content if she were in the same group as Apo.

The religion field is freely chosen--so I don't understand why she is not?

[Byzantine]

Obviously I do not speak for her, but I think most people would be content if she were in the same group as Apo.

 

If by that you mean Eastern Catholic, note my objection here. While I do not use the EC tag and will not unless there is a corresponding Western/Roman tag, I object to it being conferred on a non-EC, meaning one who does not hold communion with Rome. Just as if I were on an Orthodox forum, I would not insist on being labeled Orthodox, but would take the tag made for me.

 

 

This entire thing was tl;dr. What's the problem with the Oriental Orthodox tag?

Edited June 10, 2013 by Byzantine