Isn't More Gun Control The Obvious Solution? Yes, Yes It Is.

[Winchester]

The best scenario would be for general disarmament.  But for some reason I never see that advocated by your or any anarcho-capitalist.  I see all sorts of things about how awesome it is for citizens to have AR15s but I never see anything about how great it would be if there just were no AR15s.  I honestly don't understand that.  The corporations that manufacture arms, and fund various political causes to enhance their ability to sell lots of destructive toys to governments and then fund alarmed political movements in response to that highly armed government to open up new markets in the civilian population to sell more arms to, seem to have a very nice system.  You're not going to overthrow the American government by force of arms.  

 

So you have massive corporations that selling a product that helps fuel conflict and increase the capacity of governments to crush dissident movements.  But using taking public action to severely inhibit these corporations is 'aggression.'  That state is awful but we can't turn the power of the state on itself to limit itself because that involves the state and anything involving the state is a prior evil and wicked unless we're talking about governments covering smaller geographic space because then using one level of government that is geographically larger against another smaller level of government that happens to be perpetuating a system of violence against its minority populations is terrible because we don't want to encourage tyranny.  

 

How are you accomplishing this general disarmament?

 

I don't advocate general disarmament because I see nothing inherently evil in possessing firearms.

 

I have never said we would overthrow the US government by force of arms. In fact, I've argued that attempting to change a culture by killing large numbers of people is generally futile (and immoral, likely).

 

Using public action to limit the corporations is aggression. Of course, we're only going to limit what they sell to private individuals, leaving the State free to arm itself.

 

Want to fight corporations? Join the attempt to end the Fed. Fight IP. Help end corporate welfare, instead of supporting it.
 

[Winchester]

We're not going to agree, on this. I will not view the answer to the results of a mixed economy to be vesting greater power in the State. Not going to happen. I've been there, and I'm not going back.

[PhuturePriest]

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/02/34523-sandy-hook-victims-father-absolutely-owns-congress-at-hearing/

[God the Father]

 I never see anything about how great it would be if there just were no AR15s. I honestly don't understand that. 

 

you can't unring a bell. The technology exists and, because it is in demand, will always exist. Wishing it didn't, out of a personal distaste, is a pretty futile exercise.

[Winchester]

you can't unring a bell.

I can.

[Winchester]

More highly trained officers protecting and serving the Hell out of us.

 

http://laist.com/2013/02/07/police_shoot_motorists_mistaken_for_dorner.php

 

How much prison time do you think they will do, for this?

[StMichael]

The militia argument is not about individual right to bear arms.

 

A militia is an army. The military has a commander-in-chief, namely the President.

 

A state militia would be governed by the governor and no arm rights would be needed if it stopped there. The states wanted the ability to protect its citizens from threats like oh, indians, Mexico, etc. So this was put in.

 

The right to protect yourself is a God given right, therefore, the right to bear arms is for the individual, not the state, etc.

 

We do not have a right to police protection. We do not have a right to SWAT protection. We do have a right to arm ourselves to protect ourselves.

 

The overall lack of understanding, by the masses, over a what amounts to a single sentence, means our schools are failing us badly.

 

 

 

Interesting article in The Atlantic - "Why the 'Citizen Militia' Theory Is The Worst Pro-Gun Argument Ever":

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/01/why-the-citizen-militia-theory-is-the-worst-pro-gun-argument-ever/272734/

 

[4588686]

More highly trained officers protecting and serving the Hell out of us.

http://laist.com/2013/02/07/police_shoot_motorists_mistaken_for_dorner.php

How much prison time do you think they will do, for this?

Probably not much. The socialists and anarchists at The Internationalist (a book store and community center) have been doing a cop watch program for a while now. That seems to help some. Maybe since the right is now on an anti-authority kick, oddly correlated with the decline of their party in the national elections, the libertarians and small government enthusiasts here could start a similar program. That might also help with that gulf between theory and praxis. Edited February 9, 2013 by Hasan

[Nihil Obstat]

Probably not much. The socialists and anarchists at The Internationalist (a book store and community center) have been doing a cop watch program for a while now. That seems to help some. Maybe since the right is now on an anti-authority kick, oddly correlated with the decline of their party in the national elections, the libertarians and small government enthusiasts here could start a similar program. That might also help with that gulf between theory and praxis.

http://www.copblock.org/

[4588686]

Cop watch programs seem to consist of actually following the cops. I'm not involved in them. I'm the one clean cut person there so I try to go, buy books, and get out before anyone accuses me of being an informant. But they seem to basically track police activity and whenever a cop is making an arrest they dispatch a volunteer to go record it and basically make it clear to the cop that they are being watched and recorded. I think that's a good website. I just mean to say that it seems to be a different sort of animal.

[Nihil Obstat]

Cop watch programs seem to consist of actually following the cops. I'm not involved in them. I'm the one clean cut person there so I try to go, buy books, and get out before anyone accuses me of being an informant. But they seem to basically track police activity and whenever a cop is making an arrest they dispatch a volunteer to go record it and basically make it clear to the cop that they are being watched and recorded. I think that's a good website. I just mean to say that it seems to be a different sort of animal.

I am not personally familiar with them, but I have watched some of their videos on Youtube. All of them that I have seen appear to be put together by, broadly, 'liberty activists', a lot like the FSPers in Keene or the open carry activists. In fact often they are all one of the same, again in the videos I have seen.

[Winchester]

Probably not much. The socialists and anarchists at The Internationalist (a book store and community center) have been doing a cop watch program for a while now. That seems to help some. Maybe since the right is now on an anti-authority kick, oddly correlated with the decline of their party in the national elections, the libertarians and small government enthusiasts here could start a similar program. That might also help with that gulf between theory and praxis.

 

Check out the right cheering a girl being put in a cage for flipping a judge the bird. They firmly love authority, still. They oppose some Obama stuff, that's all.

[4588686]

Check out the right cheering a girl being put in a cage for flipping a judge the bird. They firmly love authority, still. They oppose some Obama stuff, that's all.

Who is 'they'?

[Winchester]

Who is 'they'?

 

The right wingers (as you would call them) with whom I have had the distinct displeasure of dealing with the past few days. Authoritarianism is alive and well in both parties. Partisanship is dictating the flavor of authoritarianism. The GOP loves the drug war, interventionism, telling people who they can marry, and in what quantity. "Obama blows" isn't anti-authoritarianism. Hopefully, we can win away some of the Republican authoritarians, and maybe some of the Democrats who are still anti-war.

 

And let's not forget they want to protect us from the scourge of people coming in and working.

Edited February 9, 2013 by Winchester

[Winchester]

Highly trained superhumans continue to use their superior judgment and training and awesomeness to protect the masses.

 

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-74362381/