Isn't More Gun Control The Obvious Solution? Yes, Yes It Is.

[Papist]

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

 

[Jesus_lol]

^ that link has been going around reddit for a little while, it is excellent, and really shows well what Ive been trying to get across about the issue regarding "assault Weapons"

[4588686]

The AR-15 is really no different from any other rifle except for aesthetics.  But people might need it because race riots occurred in LA twenty years ago.  Although it's not clear why people need the AR15 specifically since it's absolutely no different from any other rifle asides from aesthetics.  Maybe because it can fire more rounds?  That can't be the case because high capacity magazines really are no big deal since anyone can change lower capacity magazines in seconds.  So we desperately need AR15s in the event that the elected government decides to go to war with its population or race riots but it's not clear why we need them since they're basically a scary looking revolver.  

[Jesus_lol]

How about a clearly defined reason why the AR should be singled out and banned or restricted, over all those other guns?

 

Last I checked, you need a reason to take something away, the onus is not on us to prove that it is good or necessary, it is on you to show exactly why it isnt.

 

But good luck coming up with a good reason that doesnt immediately ban the vast majority of guns in the USA, making the USA's gun laws far stricter than canada and thus utterly fails to pass.

[KnightofChrist]

in the event that the elected government decides to go to war with its population

Because that, of course has never repeatedly happened before, republics and democratic governments have never ever fallen into dictatorship and totalitarianism. The people should blindly trust government and allow it to make them completely defenseless and unprepared for the rise of a dictator or authoritarian government. Republics and democratic governments last forever and the people have never ever had to fight for their right to be free, nor will they ever. Blind trust is all we need, the government will always protect our rights.

[eagle_eye222001]

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

 

This.

[ardillacid]

How about a clearly defined reason why the AR should be singled out and banned or restricted, over all those other guns?

 

Last I checked, you need a reason to take something away, the onus is not on us to prove that it is good or necessary, it is on you to show exactly why it isnt.

 

But good luck coming up with a good reason that doesnt immediately ban the vast majority of guns in the USA, making the USA's gun laws far stricter than canada and thus utterly fails to pass.

 

Biden claims that no one has a right to an automatic, which would ban the vast majority of guns. 

[Nihil Obstat]

Biden claims that no one has a right to an automatic, which would ban the vast majority of guns. 

Automatic, or semi-automatic? Because the vast majority of guns in civilian hands are semi-automatic.

 

He is wrong either way, but it is a relevant distinction.

[Socrates]

The AR-15 is really no different from any other rifle except for aesthetics.  But people might need it because race riots occurred in LA twenty years ago.  Although it's not clear why people need the AR15 specifically since it's absolutely no different from any other rifle asides from aesthetics.  Maybe because it can fire more rounds?  That can't be the case because high capacity magazines really are no big deal since anyone can change lower capacity magazines in seconds.  So we desperately need AR15s in the event that the elected government decides to go to war with its population or race riots but it's not clear why we need them since they're basically a scary looking revolver.  

 

So, the government can simply ban the people from owning and bearing whatever type of arms it wants to, unless it can be proven that the particular model of weapon is "desperately needed"?

 

Goodbye limited constitutional government.  Hello all-powerful nanny-state.

[Winchester]

So, the government can simply ban the people from owning and bearing whatever type of arms it wants to, unless it can be proven that the particular model of weapon is "desperately needed"?
 
Goodbye limited constitutional government.  Hello all-powerful nanny-state.

Yeah. That's the idea. You are a subject. The Federal government, a creature of the people, is now the master. How that work?

[ardillacid]

Automatic, or semi-automatic? Because the vast majority of guns in civilian hands are semi-automatic.

 

He is wrong either way, but it is a relevant distinction.

 

Is another round chambered after firing? It's an automatic. 

[Nihil Obstat]

Is another round chambered after firing? It's an automatic. 

 

"A semi-automatic, or self-loading, firearm is a weapon that performs all steps necessary to prepare the weapon to fire again after firing—assuming cartridges remain in the weapon's feed device or magazine. Typically, this includes extracting and ejecting the spent cartridge case from the weapon's firing chamber, re-cocking the firing mechanism, and loading a new cartridge into the firing chamber."

 

"An automatic firearm is a firearm that will continue to fire so long as the trigger is pressed and there is ammunition in the magazine. While both "semi automatic" and "fully automatic" weapons are "automatic" in technical sense that the firearm automatically cycles between rounds with each trigger pull, under conventional usage a merely semi-automatic firearm is not correctly referred to an "automatic weapon" or an "automatic firearm". The terms "automatic weapon" and "automatic firearm" are conventionally reserved to describe fully automatic firearms. Confusion can be avoided by this convention."

 

Again, were you talking about fully automatic or semi-automatic firearms? 

[ardillacid]

both "semi automatic" and "fully automatic" weapons are "automatic" in technical sense that the firearm automatically cycles between rounds with each trigger pull

 

thanks!

[Nihil Obstat]

Everybody here knows the difference between automatic and semi-automatic firearms. Which were you talking about before?

[ardillacid]

I wasn't talking about either. The VP was. He believes that a double barrel shotgun is all that is necessary for self-defense. Which term do you think he is referring to when he talks about automatics?