Basilisa Marie Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 If you recall the historical context of the verse regarding believing spouses sanctifying unbelieving ones, I believe that was in the same chapter where St. Paul established the "Pauline privilege", and that referred to a married couple that was unbelieving, and one spouse then became a believer, which could cause problems in a marriage. And yes, non-faithful spouses can cause faith problems for a believing spouse. For one thing, if the non-faithful spouse wants to use ABC or attend an illegal wedding or "committment ceremony" that would cause scandal, especially if it were to give a bad example to the kids, or not attend Mass, or sabotage orthodox Catholic values from being instilled into the kids, that would be detrimental to Catholic family life. To insinuate that God would call someone to risk their soul (this is in response to FP, aka "the fetus above me" as JLOL once referred to him) and to call it disrespect toward women is truly insane and illogical. Okay, you're probably right about the context of that specific verse. And you're right about the potential problems of mixed marriages. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, but they're generally harder to make work than Catholic-Catholic marriages. Some people might be called to bear the burden of a mixed marriage. Others are not. The fact that you don't want to marry a non-Catholic isn't disrespectful. What comes off as disrespectful is the kind of language you use to talk about non-Catholic women. Many women (including Catholic ones) find that language hostile, and worry that it's a symptom of a greater disregard for all women. Do you see what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 No, I just first saw it after posting a logical comment. But, if you want my answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbqBDd75Q9k I watched this TWICE, and drank water the second time. I'm getting ready to watch it again whilst eating. Who's the internet tough guy now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I'm sorry to inform you of this, but our vocations will come with so many soul-threatening situations that we will sometimes have nowhere to duck for cover except in Jesus' arms. Every vocation comes with its difficult temptations, even if your vocation is to marry the most immaculate and God-fearing Catholic woman since the Mother of God was born. You cannot run from temptations, and you cannot blame giving into temptations on your "pagan jezebel" of a wife. Her not wanting to raise the children Catholic and things such as that are serious and valid concerns -- but that is why you are supposed to discuss and communicate before you say "I do". God is not going to call you to a vocation that dooms your soul. He doesn't work like that, and to insinuate that shows a clear distrust of His love and plan for your soul. Look, kid, we're supposed to avoid occasions of sin; that is a teaching of the Church, which obviously is concerned about us avoiding temptation. You say to discuss and communicate before saying "I do"; one could just as easily say "I'm not going to waste my time" the minute one sees that the person is "Trouble with a capital 'T'". Does that make sense? Dobra noc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 You type like a Canadian...I bet Red loves you floop off. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Look, kid, we're supposed to avoid occasions of sin; that is a teaching of the Church, which obviously is concerned about us avoiding temptation. You say to discuss and communicate before saying "I do"; one could just as easily say "I'm not going to waste my time" the minute one sees that the person is "Trouble with a capital 'T'". Does that make sense? Dobra noc. Look, Mr. Norseman-Even-Though-You-Are-From-Chicago, we are supposed to avoid occasions of sin. But why do you see a non-Catholic wife as a FedEx truck ready to package and deliver you straight to hell? Edited January 14, 2013 by FuturePriest387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Look, kid, called it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 The fact that you don't want to marry a non-Catholic isn't disrespectful. What comes off as disrespectful is the kind of language you use to talk about non-Catholic women. Many women (including Catholic ones) find that language hostile, and worry that it's a symptom of a greater disregard for all women. Do you see what I mean? Sorry, I don't buy into the PC "walking on eggshells" oversensitivity nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roamin Catholic Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 floop off. <_< :love: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Sorry, I don't buy into the PC "walking on eggshells" oversensitivity nonsense. Okay, we can add "insensitive" to the list of why women may not find you attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Look, kid, we're supposed to avoid occasions of sin; that is a teaching of the Church, which obviously is concerned about us avoiding temptation. You say to discuss and communicate before saying "I do"; one could just as easily say "I'm not going to waste my time" the minute one sees that the person is "Trouble with a capital 'T'". Does that make sense? Dobra noc. Have you ever stopped to consider that you might be passing judgment too quickly? I don't know what your "criteria" are, but from what you've posted it makes me wonder if you think the world is full of saints and "jezebels," and no one in between. And what about this: say you meet a faithful Catholic woman, you two hit it off, but then she hears you talking about those icky Jezebels. Who's to say she wouldn't be worried that you'd write her off as well the first time she ever made a mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roamin Catholic Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Okay, we can add "insensitive" to the list of why women may not find you attractive. what page are we on now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 dangit! i'm out of props. <_< Sorry, I don't buy into the PC "walking on eggshells" oversensitivity nonsense. add to the list "caveman attitude" that women don't find attractive in a husband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Sorry, I don't buy into the PC "walking on eggshells" oversensitivity nonsense. So would it be okay for me to call you names if I decided I didn't like you? Would it not bother you? Because that's the logical conclusion of that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 dangit! i'm out of props. <_< add to the list "caveman attitude" that women don't find attractive in a husband. It's never too late to unlike Roamin's admittedly hilarious posts and then like mine. Or we can storm Dust's house in a crazed boozed-up fashion and demand more props. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Look, Mr. Norseman-Even-Though-You-Are-From-Chicago, we are supposed to avoid occasions of sin. But why do you see a non-Catholic wife as a FedEx truck ready to package and deliver you straight to hell? Well, can you count on them to not use ABC? To respect your decision to boycott an invalid wedding or gay committment ceremony? Will she cause you to miss Mass on Sunday or a Holy Day of Obligation? Can you count on her to raise the kids Catholic? To keep "Catholic kosher" by observing the fasting/abstinence rules? Maybe some conservative protestants can, but if you read my statement, I referred to "Jezebels", which refers to immoral people who are occasions of sin. I thought the reference was clear. Edited January 14, 2013 by Norseman82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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