In The Wake Of This Tragedy

[theculturewarrior]

Then who owns me? Who issues human rights? You?

 

This isn't trolling. This is me rejecting your belief in slavery.

 

I do not own me.  God owns me.  Real people's lives were destroyed.  This is not an argument, it's a reminder.

[StMichael]

“But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist.” Lysander Spooner

 

I should qualify my statement.

 

There is nothing wrong with the US Constitution pre-Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Carter, Bush 41, Bush 43 and Obama.

 

It is the subversion of the US Constitution that is wrong where the nation has created laws against religion, private property rights and a host of other things.

[Winchester]

I do not own me.  God owns me.  Real people's lives were destroyed.  This is not an argument, it's a reminder.

 

As far as the conversation between me and any other human, I am my owner.

 

I know real people's lives were destroyed. I don't need to be reminded.

[Jesus_lol]

Why are you guys debating gun control?

 

At least for myself, some other people said some factually incorrect statements on technical parts of the guns involved, which i did my best to correct.

[eagle_eye222001]

1. That's your interpretation, not some universally held belief.

 

2. You shouldn't have the right to have that weapon. If the possibility for this sort of thing is the price of the 2nd Amendment, then there's something wrong with the Constitution.

 

1.  It is my interpretation.  And others may disagree which means it is not a universally held belief.  However that has no bearing on the fact of the matter that gun control restrictions in the past have often been to prevent nearly anyone from obtaining a firearm.  I referenced D.C. vs. Heller and the assault weapons ban.  It is up to you to point out how either case does not support my point.  Or you can just say I'm wrong....or it's just my opinion....which takes the discussion nowhere and stalls any progress.

 

2.  Then you and others need to change the 2nd amendment and make the case that we can safely prevent the government from taking too much power without arms.  Looking at history, freedom isn't actually free.  It is something that must be constantly guarded and risked for.  By allowing free speech, we risk wrong opinions being spoken.  By allowing firearms as a safeguard against a rising tyrannical government, we risk individuals making bad choices and killing innocent civilians.  However, we also allow people to defend themselves and end potential massacres such as the Portland Organ mall shooting where a conceal carry individual stood down the shooter and prevented him from continuing his fortunate short spree.

 

The media is biased and carries an agenda.  They will always highlight the worst case scenarios.  But they will tend to ignore or downplay the incidents where firearms served to protect the common good and actually saved lives.

 

http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx

[Winchester]

At least for myself, some other people said some factually incorrect statements on technical parts of the guns involved, which i did my best to correct.

 

I'll second that.

[PadrePioOfPietrelcino]

To paraphrase a posting by my Associate Pastor on FB, that he had also shared...I am surprised, I am surprised at your surprise that these bad things happen. For over a generation we have teaching social and cultural relativism to our children, we have been taking God and Religious influence out of our schools. We teach that the only things that matter is what can be measured that data is jus a series of 1s and 0s...is it really a shock that when you tell somebody to just do what makes them happy, or that others must respect your view as equally valid that some people can then conduct large senseless acts of violence, because it seems like the right thing to them, or it's what they want to do? Is it sad? yes. Am I surprised this happens? No. Am I expecting any real significant block of our society to recognize the cancer that makes these things? sadly no

[Ed Normile]

There is no way to make sense of this tragedy. The mall shooting and all the publicity following it, including but not limited to a picture of the young man who did the shooting caused  me to have the same thought I do each time these things occur, namely what the hell is the media thinking? Its almost as if they are enshrining these people by giving them the attention they wanted, would it not be far better to keep these tragedies out the the news? Sure it should be reported, not constantly and in such detail though. I know bad news sells, but it seems to me that publicizing these sick or possessed killers just leads to others to consider the same act. If it were reported that a shooter killed 26 people and was killed or killed himself and no further elaboration given then it would take away the attention that many of these seem to be after. There always seems to be some manifesto they have which is brought out for public digestion, they get their picture in the paper, their family gets to say " he was always a good boy " or some like nonsense. They should be quietly buried, or if captured locked away for life and allowed no public contact. They should be forgotten and given no more attention than one would give a piece of roadkill as they are less than human. To take a life and then get your face all over the news, your education, your family history and your political views publicized seems like a reward and quite possibly the reason many of these losers choose this route as they have nothing else going for them in life.

 

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[Ed Normile]

I started reading back in this thread as i posted before reading any of it. I see where some have came out for gun control, a statement of emotion. I wonder why when a plane goes down killing +/- 200 people these same people do not want to ban planes?

 

For me I am a responsible gun owner and if my gun ever comes up to me and says lets go kill some people, I will reply, you will be loaded when I go to the gun range and fired at paper targets, and on the odd chance that some person enters my home and threatens my family you will be used as you are no more than a tool that I employ when I want to. :)

 

If we ban guns how long we will we have until the mass stabbings and hammer attacks begin here , like they have been going on in China since 2010? If a mentally sick or evilly possessed soul wants to kill many people there are many " tools " which could be used.

 

I do believe in both these instances the guns were stolen by the human waste who committed the crimes and unless I am wrong, its already illegal to steal something...

 

No, whats more important and would be much more effective in dealing with these outrages would be to employ the Bux Protocol, namely prayer, especially invoking the powerful intercession of St Joseph. St. Joseph is a powerful intercessor, constant prayer would help more than any extra law could ever achieve.

 

ed

Edited December 17, 2012 by Ed Normile

[Jesus_lol]

As with these latest shootings being one after another, the stabbings in china have followed a bad pattern, often occurring on the same day that the person who committed the previous attack is sentenced/executed. They had a real run of them, and I cant help but think that in both cases, the media is partially to blame.

 

If we can stop proving to all the wack jobs out there that "if you kill a bunch of people, we will make you more famous than the president for a while, and you will go down in history" then maybe there would be some less of them.

 

Not that all are interested in fame, but many seem to be following each others footsteps in these actions.

 

 

One thing we like to do in Canada and I see people doing it in Europe, is pretend that it could never happen here. We like to think "oh, well our guns are under more laws than those silly americans, our media isnt as violent". This stuff can happen anywhere. Norway and Canada are decent examples of that, its not like we give guns away to wackjobs, but we have both had large spree killings and shootings, europe has had lots of bombings, stabbings and arson in china, etc etc.

 

We like to pretend we are safe where we are, that somehow the USA is inferior for "letting this happen", but we arent. We have to do our best to prevent these attacks, to get disturbed kids the help they need, etc. 

[4588686]

One thing we like to do in Canada and I see people doing it in Europe, is pretend that it could never happen here. We like to think "oh, well our guns are under more laws than those silly americans, our media isnt as violent". This stuff can happen anywhere. Norway and Canada are decent examples of that, its not like we give guns away to wackjobs, but we have both had large spree killings and shootings, europe has had lots of bombings, stabbings and arson in china, etc etc.

 

We like to pretend we are safe where we are, that somehow the USA is inferior for "letting this happen", but we arent. We have to do our best to prevent these attacks, to get disturbed kids the help they need, etc. 

 

You are.  I'm sorry but statistically America is way ahead of Canada and Europe in terms of violent deaths and gun crimes.  

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You can't help but feel that this tragedy is somehow related to the removal of God in our schools.
The local middle school, In my neighborhood has a sign in front of the building, the sign says: school closed on December 24 for winter break. I find this sign or the logic behind it, disturbing. Most Public schools are banned from Giving credence to Religious holidays.
The placing of a nativity scene at the entrance to the building may or may not have made a difference to the Perpetrator??? I do Believe that it is a sin to outlaw References to Divine Almighty!