mulls Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 good friday, i'm also guessing you have the same point of view when it comes to Christianity in general....how people pick and choose what to believe in the bible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 I've been considering not even throwing my two cents in, but I don't think I should stay silent. This was addressed eloquently by one of our priests this Sunday when he talked about the politicians and communion thing. Nobody should recieve the Eucharist with an easy conscience. We all are falling short in some way. Some people are getting the misguieded idea that they are better catholics then the politicians that are publically being chastised. They are being publically chastised because they are making their mistakes in public. One of the graces of the Eucharist is cleansing of our sins. Also, the graces to improve ourselves by joining with Jesus death to die to our sins. I ascribe to everything the Church teaches. Some I don't understand or agree with wholeheartedly or life circumstances have boxed me into situations. Being a better Christian by improving my obedience to the Holy Spirit manifested through the Church is my goal. I'm not there yet and I know nobody else (even the Pope) is a perfect Christian. Together, us humans in the Church, we will make mistakes and err, but together with the Holy Spirit, we will find Perfect Correction as we grow in obedience to God's will. The one thing to remember about Catholics is we aren't perfect until we are in Heaven. We recognize our awful need for continual grace and recognize the more than neccessary and abundunt and over-flowing grace that God provides us through the Church, through Scripture, through our Siblings in Christ, and directly in our Hearts. There is a big difference between being a perfect Catholic and working to be a better Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted May 24, 2004 Author Share Posted May 24, 2004 I see somethings wrong with this thread already! Titles don't make anyone loyal to the Magisterium of the Church. Only by GOD'S GRACE am I loyal to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. It is a GIFT not a TITLE "Who is good but God alone." So I guess if your not "Church Militant " your not faithful to the Magisterium. psss *Shakes head* GoodFriday I am 100% loyal to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, I'll tell you how I see it. I am a child I don't know nothing, the things I do know is by God goodness, He could take it all away in a Heartbeat. We are always supposed to pray for final perseverance! God is the only One Who keeps us in a state of grace. I don't have the Saints name but their were some on there death bed who were tested in their faith in the Catholic Church. Listen to this prayer of St. Thomas Aqunias it is a prayer to Our Lady: [quote][b]"I pray also at the end of my life, you Mother without compare, Gate of Heaven, and Advocate of sinners, will not allow me, your unworthy servant, to stray from the holy Catholic Church....."[/b][/quote] It goes on, one of my favorite prayers it's a long one but a good one Your list is, hahaha, well you little stinker Some of the things you have chosen the Church has given the indivdual the option to do. Like the Communion in the hand or the tounge, some love one way some love the other way. This where I was saying you can't take imperfect opinions and use them. Both are in line of the Catholic Church. Now I know better that you have been around long enough to know about Mary or Salvation, so GF you know better Altar girls again is an option that holy Mother Church has given. Although boys are prefered but girls are still permitted. So what do we have again OPINIONS. But they are allowed because the Church has permitted it. But the prefered that was said was put prefered for a reason! Plus GF you know that doctrine develops, why your last statement? My loyality to the Magisterium is to be given credit to Jesus Christ Truly Present in the Most Blessed Sacrament, for without Him I am NOTHING!! Man oh man *sigh* In their Hearts Jason Pray for me a SINNER!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Friday Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 (edited) [color=red][Deleted by dUSt: Catholic vs Catholic Debate][/color] Edited May 24, 2004 by dUSt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 [quote]1) Communion in the hand vs. on the tongue...[/quote] I accept and adhere to what the Church teaches. [quote]2) Female altar servers...[/quote] I accept and adhere to what the Church teaches. [quote]3) No salvation outside the church... (not only do you believe in it, but what does it mean to you?)[/quote] I accept and adhere to what the Church teaches. [quote]4) Mary as Co-redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate...[/quote] I accept and adhere to what the Church teaches. [quote]5) Latin in the Mass vs. the vernacular...[/quote] I accept and adhere to what the Church teaches. [quote]That's enough for now. I know that at least one of you on this thread thinks that Communion should be received on the tongue rather than in the hand, while some of you think it's fine to receive in the hand.[/quote] Okay, you can [b]prefer[/b] one or the other while remaining 100% loyal to the magisterium, because the Church allows either. Now, if you do not adhere to the Church's teaching on this matter, or publically disagree with it, then you should not call yourself Catholic. [quote]I know that most of you think that women shouldn't be altar servers, despite the fact that the church allows it (and there will be some who think it's fine). [/quote] Again. You can prefer that girls don't altar serve (the Church even prefers boys over girls), but unless you refuse to submit to the Church's teaching on this matter, you remain 100% loyal to the magisterium. [quote]I know that at least one person, possibly two, on this thread interpret no salvation outside the church, one of the church's core doctrines, differently than the others on the thread -- and both sides would say that their interpretation is the correct one that is to be believed.[/quote] This has nothing to do with being faithful to the magisterium. The point your making is against correct interpretations of doctrine. The only way a person would be in violation of the magisterium, is if they were explained the correct interpretation, and then fail to accept it or recognize the Church's authority on the matter. [quote]Most on the thread will probably be fine with Mary as Co-redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, but there are some Catholics who are not.[/quote] Okay, they shouldn't call themselves Catholic then. [quote]And I know there will be at least one person in this thread who thinks the Mass should be said in Latin, even though the church allows it to be said in the vernacular.[/quote] See my points above. As long as one accepts the Church's teaching on vernacular masses, they can prefer whatever they want. My kid [b]prefers[/b] that we eat pizza for dinner every night, but she [b]accepts[/b] it when we have meatloaf and collard greens. [quote]If the church teaches absolute truth, which of the above flip-flops is absolutely true? Your side or your opponent's?[/quote] I don't see any flip-flops. [quote]When you've tried to explain your way out of those disagreements with the church's teaching, we'll move on to subjects like usury, slavery, ecumenism, etc. and the contradictions of different popes' teachings and the teachings of the Second Vatican Council.[/quote] Nothing contradicts homeslice. [quote]That is to say, we'll move on to those things if this thread doesn't get deleted because of Catholic vs. Catholic debate, which I suspect it will.[/quote] I'll delete this thread after I'm finished with it. [quote]It's too bad you have to be a non-Catholic around here to doubt your faith and discuss it with the other members of Phatmass.[/quote] Well, you shouldn't have any problems then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Friday Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 [quote name='mulls']i'm also guessing you have the same point of view when it comes to Christianity in general....how people pick and choose what to believe in the bible?[/quote] Yes. I think that all Christians are essentially "cafeteria Christians," because no two Christians (that I've met, anyway) believe [i]exactly[/i] the same thing. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. On the contrary, I'm fine with "cafeteria Christianity" and "cafeteria Catholicism" -- provided that people admit that's what they're actually doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 [quote name='Good Friday' date='May 24 2004, 05:23 PM'] On the contrary, I'm fine with "cafeteria Christianity" and "cafeteria Catholicism" -- provided that people admit that's what they're actually doing. [/quote] Any Catholic who admits to being a "cafeteria Catholic" shouldn't call themselves Catholic. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Friday Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 [quote name='dUSt']Any Catholic who admits to being a "cafeteria Catholic" shouldn't call themselves Catholic. Period.[/quote] Thanks, Your Excellency, I'll keep that in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 This thread is closed because I'm in a bad mood today. I need to pray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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