St. Paul Street Evangelization

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

<edit, sorry i was to slow proof reading and thinking for the edit>, i also hope they can listen that helps with evangelizing and i also hope there intention is to love others which is a relationship and not sole to convert though we must share with anyone our beliefs, because ultimately there conversion is between themselves and Jesus in the end right? I may be wrong, with the whole conversion thing i'm just going by what someone previously posted as to something pope francis presumably said about plorytherizing or whatever that word is, i can't get that word said or spelt correctly, sorry.

 

God iz LOVE.

 

Jesus iz LORD.

[blazeingstar]

Soup kitchens are nice.  Very un-controversial.  No need to ask too many about why more families are needing soup kitchens.  The food stamp program got slashed recently.  If the Church hierarchy showed half the outrage over the political class and the plutocrats slashing vital aid to the some of the most vulnerable populations in the country as they did about flooping condoms is that flooping HHS mandate I'd go confess my sins right now.  I'm serious.  Maybe Pope Francis will change that.  I doubt it.  But I have a little hope.  I suspect that that the pathetic culture warrior wing of the Church will gum up whatever good he tries to do.

 

Really?  The Catholic church has fed the poor all along.  Maybe we need to put it in people's faces.  Catholic Charities is one of the most trusted organizations in America by the poor as well as StVincent De Paul.

 

There is huge abuse and misuse in food stamps.  To deny that and to deny that there is something VERY wrong with the program is why they had to slash everyone.  

[Seven77]

More than any other institution in the world, the Catholic Church has been helping the poor for centuries. I'm talking about the materially poor here, though the Church addresses the needs of the spiritually poor as well-- those whom you very conveniently seem to ignore. Anyway, should the Church and her members be doing more to address the needs the materially poor? Of course! And let it begin with you my friend! What are you doing typing out a response to this post!? Go! Confess your sins, and ask for the grace of God to see what you have to do and go do it!  And then i'll take your posts seriously.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Just a bit to add on one of my previous posts on this thread about contraception and sexual union between man and women, Some men and women aren't called to that sexual union though, i say this according to holy scripture that some are born chaste, and some become chaste for the kingdom of God and some are made chaste by the world. And i know somone said to me here before that chastity is one partner in marriage and celibacy is no sex. Perhaps i'm wrong but i have to hurry before the edit time runs out, but i think the word chaste here in holy scripture is reffering to celibacy, i have not come across the word celibacy in holy scripture, yet. Which leads me to believe perhaps the word chaste in holy scripture has multiple meanings.

 

Jesus iz LORD.

Edited November 14, 2013 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

[Era Might]

I look at the Gospel not so much as a way of life but as an ideal...the life of Christ is the ideal, and the lives of the Apostles were those closest to that life of Christ. What we do in our lives is try to come to terms with that ideal, in the lives we actually have. It has been a 2,000 year experiment with lots of people trying to do that in lots of different ways. I don't think the social conception of Christianity works, because it turns into self-satisfying roles where the poor have their corner and the rich have their corner and everyone accepts their roles. Neither do I like the institutional conception where the ideal becomes identified with organizations, even good organizations like Catholic Charities or even radical organizations like the Catholic Worker. The Gospel is always the ideal in the center, not something which we can use to justify our way of life, but something which we are constantly revising our way of life from. There's nothing easy or clear about it. I don't think the issue is so much "rich" and "poor" as roles...we conceive of those roles in our historical milieu. Right now in America there is a strange libertarian / individualist conception which conservatives and liberals revolve around...with questions such as how much of public money the poor are entitled to, who has to support who, what programs should and should not exist, etc. I don't think any of that, ultimately, has anything to do with the Gospel, because it just reinforces our sense of roles. I think the Gospel is something more important than that. It's not a constitution or a rule of life, it's the ideal, it's the mystery of all the paradoxes of Christ's life. The Gospel gives us, really, no answers to how to deal with the lives we have...it's more like the light that illuminates the whole thing. If anyone reads the Gospel and feels themselves in the right, then they've missed the point entirely...the Gospel is the constant sign of contradiction, whatever lives we lead. It proclaims mercy when we are buried in sin, and it proclaims judgment when we are robed in self-righteousness.

 

 

 

I mean, brethren, the appointed time has grown very short; from now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the form of this world is passing away.

 

--1Corinthians 7:29-31

Edited November 14, 2013 by Era Might

[4588686]

 

There is huge abuse and misuse in food stamps.  To deny that and to deny that there is something VERY wrong with the program is why they had to slash everyone.  

This is radically incorrect.  

[Anomaly]

This is radically incorrect.

No, it isn't incorrect. It is one of the least efficient ways to feed the truly needy. Be open and honest and find out for yourself. It's well documented.

I've seen it first hand for decades. Edited November 15, 2013 by Anomaly

[cmaD2006]

Hi everyone:

 

A suggestion -- if you are going to keep debating open a new thread, instead of using this one.  This one was originally about St. Paul Street Evangelization and (in my opinion) does a disservice to the organization.

 

-- cmaD2006

[Kylie Spinelli]

The method employed by SPSE of bringing the Church to the Streets is great, especially if there are young people participating in the chapter. This lets people know that the Catholic Church and Faith is alive, well, and is not totally out of touch. :)

 

I was a member of a chapter of this organization. However, once in it for about a year, my whole chapter got the feeling that the way that the organization was being run was not the most beneficial. We still do the same thing as we used to and that they do, but we are no longer aligned with them. Just keep constantly discerning. God will show you what's best for you. :)

God bless you all and God bless the organization! May wonderful things come out of this!!

 

~Kylie

[4588686]

No, it isn't incorrect. It is one of the least efficient ways to feed the truly needy. Be open and honest and find out for yourself. It's well documented.

I've seen it first hand for decades.

 

Lets see see some hard data.  When you fail to produce that we can start sniping about something else

[Anomaly]

Lets see see some hard data. When you fail to produce that we can start sniping about something else

You're certainly smart enough to find it for yourself. I have no influence on you being open and honest.

[4588686]

You're certainly smart enough to find it for yourself. I have no influence on you being open and honest.

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