Does Anybody Kneel When They

[Livin_the_MASS]

You don't have to kneel. You have the right to do so if you wish, I gave a link at the top of the thread.

The least required is standing with a bow, but anyone who wishes to kneel to recieve Jesus may do so, [b]from Rome[/b]. Again see my link. The point is anyone has the right to do so out of reverance for God's True Presence if you choose.

If one kneels that does not make him "better" than the others. Standing with a bow is allowed, both are good as long as both are done out of reverance to the True Presence of Christ in the Eucarist, [b]kneeling is a good and holy tradition of Holy Mother Church.[/b]

The link gives articles and the new norms to be followed!

God Bless
Jason

[RandomProddy]

Huh? I thought all catholics kneeled at the altar rail???

Edited May 23, 2004 by RandomProddy

[Pio Nono]

JMJ
5/23 - Seventh Sunday of Easter (The Ascension of Our Lord)

Remember, though, that in his book [i]God is Near Us[/i], Cardinal Ratzinger remarks that standing while receiving communion was standard in the west until the 900s. We couldn't have been doing it wrong for 900 years.

I tend to go with the flow - if the parish stands, I'll stand, and if they kneel, I'll kneel.

[theculturewarrior]

I kneel if there is a communion rail. Otherwise, I follow the rubrics. (Short bow, receive standing).

I almost always wish I could kneel, though. Even if the Latin Church stood to receive until the 900's AD. Why throw out the past 1100 years?

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='lil bull 04' date='May 22 2004, 06:55 PM'] Lutherans do [/quote]
Growing up in the Methodist Church, we knelt at the communion rail. Then as a Baptist, we passed it around...

As a Catholic, I've done both... If there's a rail, I kneel; if not, I don't.

[cmotherofpirl]

Mass is not about personal preferences.
The Bishops have asked us to stand.

How can anybody complain about litugical abuses, if they cannot themselves, cannot obey simple directions?

[homeschoolmom]

But wouldn't it be wrong to stand if others are kneeling? If I am visiting a "kneeling parish" and 100% of the people are kneeling, I believe I would be causing attention to be drawn to myself if I stood, no? And wouldn't that be seen as prideful?

[cmotherofpirl]

I think if everyone is kneeling then I would kneel. I would also inquire after Mass if that is the local norm and why.

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='May 23 2004, 09:54 AM'] I think if everyone is kneeling then I would kneel. I would also inquire after Mass if that is the local norm and why. [/quote]
First problem I herd was if you kneel you are bieng disobeident well I found this letter from Mons. Mario Marini and I quote:



[quote]To this end, it is perhaps useful to respond to your inquiry by repeating the content of a letter that the Congregation recently addressed to a Bishop in the United States of America from whose Diocese a number of pertinent letters had been received. The letter states:[b] "...while this Congregation gave the recognitio to the norm desired by the Bishops' Conference of your country that people stand for Holy Communion, this was done on the condition that communicants who choose to kneel are not to be denied Holy Communion on these grounds. Indeed, the faithful should not be imposed upon nor accused of disobedience and of acting illicitly when they kneel to receive Holy Communion".[/b] [/quote]

CMOM are you going to argue with Rome. The link that I gave are three letters from Rome [b]from The Congregation for Divine Worship[/b]. Are you going to tell Mons. Mario Marini that he is using his "personal preference" by his statement?

I wouldn't think so
Pax
Jason

[Livin_the_MASS]

It is not a debate.

[Brother Adam]

And I thought it was bad when Baptists nearly killed each other arguing about headcoverings. . . -_- Edited May 23, 2004 by Brother Adam

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='Pio Nono' date='May 23 2004, 08:10 AM'] JMJ
5/23 - Seventh Sunday of Easter (The Ascension of Our Lord)

Remember, though, that in his book [i]God is Near Us[/i], Cardinal Ratzinger remarks that standing while receiving communion was standard in the west until the 900s.  We couldn't have been doing it wrong for 900 years.

I tend to go with the flow - if the parish stands, I'll stand, and if they kneel, I'll kneel. [/quote]


[b]Another statement from the same link of letters by His Eminence, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger:[/b]
[quote][b]In fact, as His Eminence, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger has recently emphasized, the practice of kneeling for Holy Communion has in its favor a centuries-old tradition, and it is a particularly expressive sign of adoration, completely appropriate in light of the true, real and substantial presence of Our Lord Jesus Christ under the consecrated species.[/b][/quote]

Pino,

That funny though I picked up that book lastnight "God is near us" that he wrote.

God Bless
Jason

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='May 23 2004, 10:14 AM'] And I thought it was bad when Baptists nearly killed each other arguing about headcoverings. . . -_- [/quote]
What are you talking about, I've seen other boards "killing" come on Bro I wouldn't say that.

And what you call "headcoverings" I call Fact's Truths of the Church. Big difference


God Bless
Jason

[Brother Adam]

We see things with different eyes.

[Anna]

It matters little whether others think that I'm being disobedient when I kneel for Holy Communion.

Rome has said it isn't an act of disobedience at all. In fact, if you look at the wording, they seem less than enthusiastic even granting the American bishops the norm of standing to receive.

"Everybody does it" isn't a good enough reason for me any more. When I was younger, I did a lot of "wrong" things because "everybody was doing it." Now, I search my conscience and follow Rome. Hopefully, I'm not kneeling as an expression that I'm holier than anyone else, but rather, that I'm a sinner, coming face to face with Our Lord and the One Who will ultimately be my Judge. Even having a vague idea of how often I displease God, I'm compelled to drop to my knees before His Majesty.

We have an altar rail in my parish, but no one is permitted to use it. I have to stand in line like everyone else. Then, when it is my turn, and the Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion, Deacon, or Priest elevates the Sacred Host, I simply drop to one or both knees, say "Amen," and receive upon my tongue. Then, I stand, turn, and return to my pew, reciting a short prayer recommended by one of the saints, "Oh Sacred Heart of Jesus, May the whole world burn with love for You!" Once I reach my pew, I kneel and pray the Anima Christi.

There is nothing disobedient about it. The Magisterium has written to the US bishops now several times about it. It's those bishops, priests, deacons, and lay ministers who try to make the communicant feel as though he/she is being disobedient, who are actually the disobedient ones!

Pax Christi. <><