Norseman82 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='arfink' timestamp='1353276809' post='2512472'] That's nice. It's also a strawman argument. Nobody is saying that here. You on the other hand are offering a lovely slap in the face for those who aren't virgins. I don't care how valuable virginity is, you don't treat your fellow human beings that way, especially the ones who have repented. [/quote] If they truly repented, would they be whining and playing the victim card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1353277057' post='2512479'] If they truly repented, would they be whining and playing the victim card? [/quote] You keep saying that phrase, but you clearly don't get it. Everyone around you keeps telling you that your words are hurting people, and you just ignore it. You're going to have to come to grips with the fact that you can and do hurt other people with what you say, regardless of whether what you say is true or not. You have no right to continue being aggressive in this way, regardless of the supposed "repentance" of these people here. Just stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the171 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1353277057' post='2512479'] If they truly repented, would they be whining and playing the victim card? [/quote] She isn't whining. She, along with most of the women of phatmass, feel objectified with the way you speak of virginity. Mary Magdalene Mary of Egypt Augustine Care for me to go on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1353276272' post='2512463'] What's good for the males is good for the females as well. [/quote] This makes me angry. It makes me angry because it implies that women are the same as men, which isn't true. If it doesn't imply that women are the same as men, it implies that men's needs dominate women's needs. If it doesn't imply that men's needs dominate women's needs, then it means that the reverse (what's good for women is also good for men) is true. And I'd bet half my prop allowance that you wouldn't agree that what's good for women is also good for men. [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1353276272' post='2512463'] And you know what? The lessening of the importance of virginity is a slap in the face to the efforts of those who have worked long and hard to save themselves. And as I stated before, I did not say that those who have not saved themselves are not worthy of love - just that there are some who don't view them as compatible. But there are plenty more who are compatible, so I don't see why all the whining. [/quote] I'm someone who has worked long and hard to save myself for marriage, and I don't find it a slap in the face. I have enough self-confidence to realize that I don't need the Church constantly giving me a pat on the back for my good decisions, when there are so many people out there who need Her love and guidance. It's not whining. Whinging would be complaining that other people don't congratulate you enough of a job well done, and that other people don't do enough to protect you from sin, or that people who express hurt and offense at what you say just need to get over themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaPetiteSoeur Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) Who the hell are we to judge others based on whether or not they are virgins? We know for a fact that St Augustine was not a virgin and had sex outside of marriage--he even had a son! He later went to confession, repented, and ya know, became the guy we know St Augustine to be. We are not God. People who have had sex before marriage are not "damaged goods." No one is damaged goods. Good Lord, if we don't believe that God can forgive all sins, and that he loves us unconditionally and that he'll take us back, then what is the point of hoping for salvation? Edited November 18, 2012 by LaPetiteSoeur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the171 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 We use the story of our past to show what glorious things God can do with sinners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='arfink' timestamp='1353277203' post='2512480'] You keep saying that phrase, but you clearly don't get it. Everyone around you keeps telling you that your words are hurting people, and you just ignore it. You're going to have to come to grips with the fact that you can and do hurt other people with what you say, regardless of whether what you say is true or not. You have no right to continue being aggressive in this way, regardless of the supposed "repentance" of these people here. Just stop. [/quote] I stand by what I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1353276940' post='2512475'] Are you implying that it is not God's plan that two people should save themselves for each other? It may not be a "magical" token, but it certainly is something that God has indicated should be given by spouses to each other. [/quote] Nope, there's no "someTHING" there, other than the two people. You give of your whole self to another person, and that person gives their whole self to you. Your whole self is still there, even if you had sex with someone else and went to confession for it. Obviously it's best to not have premarital sex. But what are we supposed to tell people who have realized their mistakes, and want desperately to turn away from sin and be faithful to the Gospel? Don't we have faith in the sacraments? Who among us has not sinned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaPetiteSoeur Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1353277443' post='2512486'] Nope, there's no "someTHING" there, other than the two people. You give of your whole self to another person, and that person gives their whole self to you. Your whole self is still there, even if you had sex with someone else and went to confession for it. Obviously it's best to not have premarital sex. But what are we supposed to tell people who have realized their mistakes, and want desperately to turn away from sin and be faithful to the Gospel? Don't we have faith in the sacraments? Who among us has not sinned? [/quote] I'm reminded of the phrase "He who has not sinned cast the first stone." I totally agree that while it's not best to have premarital sex, we do get to turn around and be faithful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1353277417' post='2512485'] I stand by what I say. [/quote] [img]http://i.qkme.me/3q4xnv.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the171 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Norseman, you aren't being much of a gentleman. Isn't it the man'a goal to prevent the woman from harm and ensure that she goes to heaven? Well, currently you are only hurting, not helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyAnn Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1353277057' post='2512479'] If they truly repented, would they be whining and playing the victim card? [/quote] How dare you question anyone's repentance? Who do you think you are? That is between them and the Lord. You are not judge and jury. As shocking as this might be, you are a sinner just the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='LaPetiteSoeur' timestamp='1353277285' post='2512483'] Who the **** are we to judge others based on whether or not they are virgins? We know for a fact that St Augustine was not a virgin and had sex outside of marriage--he even had a son! He later went to confession, repented, and ya know, became the guy we know St Augustine to be. We are not God. People who have had sex before marriage are not "damaged goods." No one is damaged goods. Good Lord, if we don't believe that God can forgive all sins, and that he loves us unconditionally and that he'll take us back, then what is the point of hoping for salvation? [/quote] First of all, watch the language. Second, if the concept of "damaged goods" stops a person from sinning, then it is a good thing. Perhaps the loss of this concept has contributed to the increase of promiscuity (which is now considered the norm) in the last 30-50 years and so it should in fact be brought back. Even if some people may feel hurt, society will as a whole be better off with less rampant promiscuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Basilisa Marie Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1353277774' post='2512491'] First of all, watch the language. Second, if the concept of "damaged goods" stops a person from sinning, then it is a good thing. Perhaps the loss of this concept has contributed to the increase of promiscuity (which is now considered the norm) in the last 30-50 years and so it should in fact be brought back. Even if some people may feel hurt, society will as a whole be better off with less rampant promiscuity. [/quote] I don't understand why you think shaming those who HAVE ALREADY REPENTED AND WANT BACK INTO THE FOLD will help stop rampant promiscuity among NON-CATHOLICS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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