Maggyie Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1353263507' post='2512383'] Why should it stop one from turning away from sin? [/quote] it's the whole "you can't unring the bell" thing. It makes some women think "well I can't unring the bell...and apparently, that's what would have mattered... too late now... so I may as well KEEP ringing it" when really all that Christianity asks is that you cut it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1353134875' post='2511729'] Actually, sex is the difference between living as husband and wife vs. brother and sister, so the sexual aspect should not be discounted. I think that was the point curiousing was actually trying to get across and was actually giving an example of the pain and misery that premarital sex causes. [/quote] I don't know where you came up with this. Obviously my point was to not get married with only the purpose of having sex. Read my post again. Also if you had read curiousing's entire post, you would have known that it was confusing and alarming in it's wishy washy content, where both having sex out of wedlock or not having sex out of wedlock, are bad. Either we keep our moral beliefs or if we don't we'll end up with a chaotic society where suicide and despair prevail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1353135130' post='2511732'] You strike me as a hippie liberal theology kind of person. [/quote] What are you talking about? Hippie liberals are notorious for being non theological, please think before you write anything. Talking without making any sense is not helping anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1353271062' post='2512421'] What are you talking about? Hippie liberals are notorious for being non theological, please think before you write anything. Talking without making any sense is not helping anyone. [/quote] You're so smart. What is your GPA, like 3.6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Maggie' timestamp='1353268750' post='2512408'] it's the whole "you can't unring the bell" thing. It makes some women think "well I can't unring the bell...and apparently, that's what would have mattered... too late now... so I may as well KEEP ringing it" when really all that Christianity asks is that you cut it out. [/quote] Well, the fact is that you CAN'T unring it....but that doesn't mean that you have to continue ringing it, though, unless one is simply trying to rationalize one's behavior or trying to escape consequences. Changing the future and accepting the consequences of one's past go hand in hand. And I don't agree that someone in such a position is excluded from marriage; however, there may be some other singles that may feel that they would not be a good match. But all is not lost, since there are a lot of people of the opposite gennder in the same boat as you. In fact, to use the term that Basilisa and Emily Ann used (so please don't jump over me for it), there are most likely more "used cars" on the lot than "new cars". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1353270534' post='2512419'] I don't know where you came up with this. Obviously my point was to not get married with only the purpose of having sex. Read my post again. Also if you had read curiousing's entire post, you would have known that it was confusing and alarming in it's wishy washy content, where both having sex out of wedlock or not having sex out of wedlock, are bad. Either we keep our moral beliefs or if we don't we'll end up with a chaotic society where suicide and despair prevail. [/quote] It was something I learned in sacraments class when I attended a HS seminary. And you may want to read 1 Corinthian's 7 where St. Paul said it was better to marry than burn. And even though curiousing's post may seem confusing to some, I was able to pick up on what she was saying, and I still maintain that she was actulally agreeing with you and actually giving a real-life example to illustrate your point. You may not have seen it, but I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1353271131' post='2512422'] You're so smart. What is your GPA, like 3.6? [/quote] Thank you but I don't need to be a above average to know the truth, it's all around us, if only we care to look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyAnn Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1353263507' post='2512383'] Why should it stop one from turning away from sin? [/quote] You are treated as if you are dirty and unworthy of real love. As Maggie said, you are being told that you can't turn back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1353272436' post='2512428'] Thank you but I don't need to be a above average to know the truth, it's all around us, if only we care to look. [/quote] Teach me more, O wise one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Maggie' timestamp='1353268750' post='2512408'] it's the whole "you can't unring the bell" thing. It makes some women think "well I can't unring the bell...and apparently, that's what would have mattered... too late now... so I may as well KEEP ringing it" when really all that Christianity asks is that you cut it out. [/quote] The same objection might be made against Purgatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyAnn Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1353272044' post='2512425'] In fact, to use the term that Basilisa and Emily Ann used (so please don't jump over me for it), there are most likely more "used cars" on the lot than "new cars". [/quote] Did you miss the part where that is a highly offensive comparison? I did not use it, I said someone else had used it and your use of it is still unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='curiousing' timestamp='1353038360' post='2511085'] Obviously it's important to wait for marriage. I was talking to a (non-Catholic) friend who is satisfied with her boyfriend in every way, except for THAT way, because she can't stop comparing him in THAT way to her last boyfriend. When you commit to live your entire life with someone, such comparisons can be terribly problematic. They make it very hard to accept what one has been given in marriage, if it doesn't live up to previous experiences. So, remaining a virgin can, I think, prevent a great deal of dissatisfaction and disappointment in a marriage. [/quote] I beg your pardon, I actually agree with you, my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To Jesus Through Mary Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1353272044' post='2512425'] Well, the fact is that you CAN'T unring it....but that doesn't mean that you have to continue ringing it, though, unless one is simply trying to rationalize one's behavior or trying to escape consequences. Changing the future and accepting the consequences of one's past go hand in hand. And I don't agree that someone in such a position is excluded from marriage; however, there may be some other singles that may feel that they would not be a good match. But all is not lost, since there are a lot of people of the opposite gennder in the same boat as you. In fact, to use the term that Basilisa and Emily Ann used (so please don't jump over me for it), there are most likely more "used cars" on the lot than "new cars". [/quote] No you can't "unring" it- but I can guarantee you, unless that woman or man has an authentic conversion and see that they are worthy of true love, they will keep ringing that bell. How many times I have discussed with women when they lost their virginity, how they cried- 95% of the time they tell me they did. Then to heard the message of hope that they can stop giving themselves away. They are worth more, etc... The one thing I know to be true- God will make a great good come from even the worst mistake. That person is not defiled, but has an amazing opportunity to repent and God's mercy makes all things new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) [quote name='EmilyAnn' timestamp='1353272514' post='2512429'] You are treated as if you are dirty and unworthy of real love. As Maggie said, you are being told that you can't turn back. [/quote] And how many men rationalize their pre-marital sex by thinking that since they are not going to marry a virgin they might as well not be virgins themselves? [quote name='EmilyAnn' timestamp='1353273077' post='2512433'] Did you miss the part where that is a highly offensive comparison? I did not use it, I said someone else had used it and your use of it is still unacceptable. [/quote] Maybe you need to take a deep breath, grow a thicker skin, and stop playing the "wounded victim" card. Edited November 18, 2012 by Norseman82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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