Ryan / Rubio Vs Biden / Clinton 2016

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1352330546' post='2506148']
Guys and gals, I hate to rain on your parade but this was the election. By the time 2016 rolls around this country will be hardly recognizable as the great nation we once were. The system for the Obamacare will be in place, most of the country will be the poor we talk about helping. The billions of dollars spent on abortion in this country that you and I and our church will have to pay for will have provided for untold numbers of new deaths, lets not even get into physician assisted suicide and death panels. Thats socialism folks, besides after Obama makes good on his promise to Putin we will not be able to strategically fend off nuclear aggression as we will not have enough to be a viable threat. Obama now has positioned the country on what is described as a fiscal cliff, where the tax breaks for middle class Americans is going to expire and billions are needed for his health care as well, and Obama has promised to raise the tax rates on the rich? This will have the effect of hurting small businesses, and taking away incentives for the wealthy to create jobs as their money will be confiscated essentially throwing us further into a recession if not an outright depression. Just the news of Obama's re-election has caused the stock market to take the worse freefall in many years. Welcome to the bread lines my friends.

ed
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shhhhhhh

[StMichael]

Knee jerk.

Unless the Republican party becomes even more big government than the Democrats, the minorities are not going to be swayed.

The Catholic vote as an example was split between white Catholics voting the majority for Romney with the hispanics overwhelming in favor of Obama. On the surface one would say it is about immigration, but it couldn't be further from the truth.

Those hispanics, that have come to the US, are low skilled with minimal education. They believe in big government. Unions. Therefore, it isn't lets just run a minority out there and that will do the trick. It won't.

The majority of people who have come to this country came to it for the opportunity they could grant upon themselves. Now you come here and are able to access the welfare state on day one.

While we collapse under the weight of the entitlement state, it keeps growing.

And when has it become about the color of someone's skin as opposed to the content of their character?

The uphill battle, and it is extremely uphill, is to act local.

Rubio, Ryan, Paul, they do not stand a chance if the electorate believes in big government that hands you stuff.

One needs to look back at other reasons Romney lost and some 10 million people stayed home as opposed to 2008. What was his message? What were his 3 promises that he proposed?

On the other hand, Obama's record is deplorable, but he is handing out the goodies in exchange for your liberty, and that was his message. Free stuff, vote for me.

Then you have the progressive Republican establishment, the same one coming out in the last day slamming the Tea Party. Who comes from that? Rubio, Paul, Cruz, etc. The Republicans have no leadership in the house (Boehner must be replaced) and no vision they can share with the electorate.

Ryan should be put into place as the Speaker and fight like Pelosi would fight for her side.

A change in leadership in the Senate is needed as well, McConnell needs to replaced by a Rand Paul.

The gloves must come off and those who are capable of clearly stating to the American public, no, we were not a great nation because we became the Soviet Union, we were a great nation because you are free to pursue life, liberty...

The economy is even far more gone than under Jimmy Carter and it will not get better. I cannot imagine next months UE as companies are firing people left and right including tons that are getting laid off from their defense gigs.

Even in the pre-election economic state, the democrats distracted their herd with nonsense about war on women, gay marriage and other non-issues they made an issue (with the help of a complacent media), yet the reality of paying over $4 per gallon for gas, inflation on food and rising health insurance costs became foot notes.

Where was the Republican leadership on this? Where was Boehner screaming to assist us? He was brought to his speakership on the shoulders of the Tea Party and he in 24 hours declared their is no Tea Party caucus.

They allowed Tea Party incumbents like Bachmann, West, etc. die in the wind with no funding, no assistance.

The war inside the Republican party is progressive Republicans vs. Conservative Republicans. The Bush's are progressives.

I can go on.

As for Biden, c'mon, the fact that no one in the media brings up the point that this buffoon is one heartbeat from being the President is mind numbing. Hillary will be 70 in the next cycle and certainly not an option. The democrats are Obama's party as you can see how the Clinton's are his lap dogs, they ceded control of the party to him. Either Obama will sign an executive order (which is the equivalent of an internal memo) allowing himself to run for a 3rd term or he will ensure he is replaced with someone equally as radical.

I expect the Catholic Church to fight the Obamacare mandates, and the Court will state it is unconsitutional, but the rest of this unconstitutional law will rolll out and we will be crushed by it.

Just like Reagan was unable to get rid of Carter's departments (Dept. of Energy, Dept. of Education, etc.), we will be saddled with Obamacare for the rest of our lives, not mention his Supreme Court appointees that will be the gift that will keep on giving.

Unless the republican party finds one voice and fights to the finish, the US, as outlined by our Constitution, is finished.


[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1352276260' post='2505623']

As Rubio himself said last night, the Republican party needs to reach out more to minorities if it plans to stay in the game. Simply putting a pretty minority face on a platform won't work as we saw done at the convention. They need to reach out and explain why they think it is more logical to vote Republican. The good news is after four more years the economy will smell of elderberries so bad the GOP candidate will practically be thrown into the oval office, though. We just need to make sure it's a good one this time.
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[Anomaly]

I love your analysis. You're spot on except for the idea Republicans will fix it. The ship has sailed. We've gone past the tipping point of the populace believing Big Gov will immediately fulfill their wants. Most people believe their wants are their needs and it is their right to have it fulfilled.

Society won't change their attitude via politics. Politics DO reflect what people want and politicians long ago learned to enrich themselves fulfilling those desires. It is inevitable it will eventually collapse, but if it isn't collapsed today, they'll keep riding the wave (both pols and public). The majority have decided its the short game.


It won't get better until after the collapse of developed societies and people (hopefully) learn lessons from the mistakes and start the rebuild.

[StMichael]

Never said they would fix it willingly. In order for the progressive Republicans to hold their power, they will demonize the Tea Party, Conservatives, etc.

Boehner has already capitulated by stating that Obamacare is the law of the land, which Boehner has had the power to cut off its funding. He has stated there is no Tea Party caucus, thusly stating he and his other 2 stooges (Cantor and McCarthy) will turn a deaf ear to them.

Boehner had ensured that Michelle Bachmann, who won by a scant 1500 votes, would get no RNC money. Same for Allen West, who is currently fighting to turn around his loss.

The ways to cure, include, stronger leadership in the both the house and senate, clear, concise pathways to individual freedom and ensuring the message becomes part of the daily dialogue.

I had hoped that the electorate would wise up this past election, but it appears as though school needs to back in session. Again, this is a local battle before it can win nationally.

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1352518560' post='2507583']
I love your analysis. You're spot on except for the idea Republicans will fix it. The ship has sailed. We've gone past the tipping point of the populace believing Big Gov will immediately fulfill their wants. Most people believe their wants are their needs and it is their right to have it fulfilled.

Society won't change their attitude via politics. Politics DO reflect what people want and politicians long ago learned to enrich themselves fulfilling those desires. It is inevitable it will eventually collapse, but if it isn't collapsed today, they'll keep riding the wave (both pols and public). The majority have decided its the short game.


It won't get better until after the collapse of developed societies and people (hopefully) learn lessons from the mistakes and start the rebuild.
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[havok579257]

if ryan runs for president they will lose and lose bad. the fact is ryan is not close to the middle, he is more on the extreme side of his party. although this is not be bagging on the guy cause i actually like him. although he will not win a majority of the votes. i will be extremely pissed if they role ryan out there because if biden wins he gets to educate the masses on how to be a good catholic and how catholics can support abortion, contraception and so on. he will make the general population think catholics are fine with these things. that is the last thing we need.

[Winchester]

He's extreme? Supports TARP, QE 1 and QE 2, his plan adds 5.1 trillion to the debt over ten years...that's extreme? It looks like par for the course.

[eagle_eye222001]

We either fight for a real candidate with a real solution or we go home.

Supporting a candidate simply so they can win is foolish and a waste of time.........for we are then not fighting for the solution, but the problem.


This is why I will gladly rally on an earthly losing side......because I fight for Truth....and not for earthly victories.

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='CherieMadame' timestamp='1352318036' post='2505922']
NOT Christie either. Waaay too brash for the whole of America. No way.
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I don't know.... I think America could use some brashness instead of platitudes and false promises.

[Cherie]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1352654646' post='2508138']


I don't know.... I think America could use some brashness instead of platitudes and false promises.
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I agree about the platitudes and false promises, but I really don't think Chris Christie would get us there. Ron Paul maybe, but he's (imo) too old to run in 2016.

Also I think some boldness is a good thing...but Christie can be downright offensive sometimes. I can't imagine that kind of person taking on the dignity of our country's presidency, but then again, we already have Obama...and I'm not saying that to be rude, I mean it. He seems to hold the office in contempt sometimes, and his wife's behavior at the rally after he was elected to the Senate completely lacked dignity and class. Christie just doesn't seem like a good fit for the whole of America, imo. Great for NJ, though.

[Winchester]

The president is only important to me in the sense that he helms a government which continues to involve itself beyond its delegated powers. I don't care about the dignity of the office. There isn't any, as far as I'm concerned. A weak fool who lost power for the Federal government would be great, even if he embarrassed the "United States".


I'd say incinerating Japanese non-combatants is more serious than the "Oh noes, he bowed to someone" croutons the GOP stooges have been speaking with an unpleasant disposition about.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1352616183' post='2508061']
he will make the general population think catholics are fine with these things. that is the last thing we need.
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Until he is publicly denied communion, that is...

Edited November 13, 2012 by Norseman82