Our Country's Voters Are Stupid

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='StMichael' timestamp='1352392123' post='2506567']
50% of so-called Catholics voted for Obama. It is obvious they worship a false idol and are Catholic in name only.
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maybe a small percentage of the 50 do this, but I would say its just ignorance. The sad fact is, many catholics are ignorant of their own Faith, much less the democratic party's deadly agenda...

[ardillacid]

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[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='StMichael' timestamp='1352392123' post='2506567']
Regardless of how flawed you feel Mitt Romney was, it does not compare to how unprecedented this election was. [b]No incumbent ever was re-elected with such a horrendous record.[/b]
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[Freedom]

I wish we could go back to the economy when Bush was president! But American complained cuz we're never happy.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='qfnol31' timestamp='1352294787' post='2505672']
CNN did exit polls in many of the swing states. Catholics overwhelmingly supported Romney in this election.

In Virginia they voted for Romney 54% to Obama's 45%.
In Florida it was 52% to 47%.
Ohio was 54% to 44%!

No, this election wasn't lost because Catholics are poorly educated. That the numbers changed so drastically is a testament to how well the bishops spoke this time. Sadly, many of those Catholics who voted for Obama knew well what they were doing and I don't think catechesis is to blame.
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A 5% spread is overwhelming?

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1352326427' post='2506056']
This definition completely describes those who voted for Obama or helped him get re-elected. The title of this thread could not have been any more accurate. Sometimes the truth hurts.
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This is not a veiled attack or insult or anything, I am asking in sincerity:
Do you truly believe that everyone who voted for Obama is stupid? Do you know anyone in real life who did? If so, do you find them to be unintelligent?

I can't see any rationale why one would vote for him (especially after his not-so-stellar first four years), but some of the most intelligent people I know voted for him.

[zabbazooey]

Yes OP, are you saying that I am stupid? Am I unintelligent, uninformed?

I voted straight across the board Republican/conservative last election. I vote based on the candidates, not their parties.

And I am happy with the election results.

edit: I voted for him based on the fact that I have healthcare that I otherwise would not have, I will not be denied in the future based on pre-existing conditions that I DID NOT ask for (hello upcoming spinal fusion surgery), and I am now finishing my college education thanks to federal aid.

Is he perfect? No. Was his first term as stellar or as productive as it should have been? Nope. But it sure beat the alternative (Romney). For me, I have greatly benefitted under an Obama presidency.

Edited November 8, 2012 by zabbazooey

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='zabbazooey' timestamp='1352388121' post='2506542']
And ALTHOUGH I am very liberal and believe that women should have access to contraceptives (albeit not taxpayer funded), I do fully support the Church and other religious groups protesting the HHS mandate. Freedom of religion and the right to practice their beliefs. Catholic employers/groups should not have to be forced to provide a medication/contraceptive (especially when it's not a "life saving" drug like bc) that is directly contradictory to Church teaching.

/offtopic
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[quote name='zabbazooey' timestamp='1352408165' post='2506645']
Yes OP, are you saying that I am stupid? Am I unintelligent, uninformed?

I voted straight across the board Republican/conservative last election. I vote based on the candidates, not their parties.

And I am happy with the election results.

edit: I voted for him based on the fact that I have healthcare that I otherwise would not have, I will not be denied in the future based on pre-existing conditions that I DID NOT ask for (hello upcoming spinal fusion surgery), and I am now finishing my college education thanks to federal aid.

Is he perfect? No. Was his first term as stellar or as productive as it should have been? Nope. But it sure beat the alternative (Romney). For me, I have greatly benefitted under an Obama presidency.
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these two statements contradict each other..

[zabbazooey]

I don't agree with HHS mandate! I DO BELIEVE regardless of my own religious beliefs that birth control should not be shoved down private religious employers' throats.

I am glad, despite the fact, that I have healthcare. There are flaws in every system.

If it comes down to it, I'd rather have health care than birth control

Women SHOULD have access to contraceptives, but if it violates the religious liberties of private religious organization's or whatever and they now have to offer it, that I do not agree with. It is against their religious beliefs. If you are a woman wanting free birth control or whatever, don't work for a Catholic organization.

:D

Edited November 8, 2012 by zabbazooey

[Freedom]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1352407502' post='2506641']
A 5% spread is overwhelming?


This is not a veiled attack or insult or anything, I am asking in sincerity:
Do you truly believe that everyone who voted for Obama is stupid? Do you know anyone in real life who did? If so, do you find them to be unintelligent?

I can't see any rationale why one would vote for him (especially after his not-so-stellar first four years), but some of the most intelligent people I know voted for him.
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I'll answer in a sincere way. Please no troller responses, I'm not in the mood to play. Anyone who voted for him or voted for a 3rd party which resulted in Romney not getting the support he needed, I wouldn't call them "stupid."

I actually never did, I thought the title of this thread was completely accurate and the person who started this thread admitted it was posted out of frustration and who can blame her?

I would say that all who voted for Obama and voted for a 3rd party to not give the support that Romney needed, lead to Obama becoming re-elected. I honestly believe they did this through selfishness and I'm not talking about Phatmassers, I'm talking about people nation wide.

American citizens vote thinking, 'what can I get out of this country?' Instead of thinking, 'what can I do for this country?'

So no, I don't consider Obama voters stupid or not intelligent. We asked for this, we'll see what happens and may God help us.

[Freedom]

And no, I do not know anyone personally in real life that voted for Obama.

[zabbazooey]

Yes, wanting an affordable college education and accessible health care is so selfish of me. Shame on me for wanting to finish and become a speech pathologist and give back to my community rather than throwing up my hands and saying OH WELL because my parents both aren't eligible to sign for any sort of loan and have no extra income to give, and resigning myself to working a low income job forever and ever. And neither am I! I can't get a loan, I don't have the income or credit. So thank you to Obama for extending the Pell Grant program and keeping interest rates on federal loans low. Or I guess I could do like Paul Ryan suggested and work 3 jobs -- also not feasible due to my program requirements and schedule.

I'm so selfish for wanting affordable health care that won't deny me coverage based on some of my issues like my moderate to severe scoliosis. I guess I should just let it go and progress past the 50 degrees it is already at and buy myself a walker or wheelchair -- 'cause eventually I'll need it if I don't have my surgery.

I don't care about hiding it anymore on here -- I am not Catholic, there are more issues at stake than PRO LIFE stuff. Open your eyes. A healthy, WELL-EDUCATED nation is ALWAYS good for the economy!

Pro-life means more than just being pro fetus.

Also, I've paid taxes ever since I started working when I was 14 years old. I am by no means trying to smell of elderberries the system dry or go on welfare, food stamps, disability, or any of that stuff.

Edited November 8, 2012 by zabbazooey

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1352405827' post='2506634']
I wish we could go back to the economy when Bush was president! But American complained cuz we're never happy.
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wow, do you know that Bush presided over the the economy tanking? the whole crisis there was under Bush's watch and came after 8 years of him in office and you think he was good for the economy?

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1352410088' post='2506655']
And no, I do not know anyone personally in real life that voted for Obama.
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Yes you do. They probably dont feel like talking to you about it though, which wouldnt be surprising.

[StMichael]

Not sure what your situation is that you were denied healthcare, but the reason medicaid exists is for those who can't get it from the private sector.

To suggest that the path we are on, now that Santa gave you some goodies, is flawed, is an understatement.

By 2014 we will all be forced in and employers will drop their health plans as they too expensive, as it stands I have seen my insurance go up double since this unconstitutional travesty has been allowed to go forward. We are on our way to a single payer, meaning government as the only option for us all.

Costs cannot come down as the free market will not be involved, so the government will have to ensure that treatment is limited, as it has recently enacted with medicare (a patient cannot be re-admitted into the hospital within 30 days of treatment or the hospital will be fined).

If you are in the battle of your life, and all you have is government health insurance, and they deny treatment, you cannot sue the Federal government to cover you.

And this law never addressed the culprits of why costs were so high but not enacting Tort reform. So the lawyers can still sue for amazing amounts meaning malpractice insurance rates will continue to rise.

So, this is the wrong path way, and while you believe you gained something now, it comes with major consequences in just a few years.

Of course, the federal government is doing all they can to minimize the Catholic population and thanks to this bill a woman, as young as 14 can get an abortion without her parents even knowing.

So good for you!

[quote name='zabbazooey' timestamp='1352408940' post='2506649']
I don't agree with HHS mandate! I DO BELIEVE regardless of my own religious beliefs that birth control should not be shoved down private religious employers' throats.

I am glad, despite the fact, that I have healthcare. There are flaws in every system.

If it comes down to it, I'd rather have health care than birth control

Women SHOULD have access to contraceptives, but if it violates the religious liberties of private religious organization's or whatever and they now have to offer it, that I do not agree with. It is against their religious beliefs. If you are a woman wanting free birth control or whatever, don't work for a Catholic organization.

:D
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[StMichael]

Why is college so expensive? Have you asked that question?

Thanks to the student loan program, students can take on 10's of thousands of dollars in loans with ease. Colleges in the last 5 years have raised their tuition by over 25% knowing that you, the student, will get that free money. Now that it has been nationalized, even more will be doled out.

If it was harder to get a loan, or one had to qualify for a loan, you would see those high and higher tuition rates go down.

But somehow it is my responsibility to pay your way, as opposed to you going to a community college for 2 years and then getting a reasonable loan to cover your liberal arts degree. This nations next shoe to drop is the loans given out to students who end up with a degree that will pay them $20K a year. Sorry, the first lesson that needs to be taught is to live within your means. No one owes you an education or healthcare.

Is there an issue with you going to school part time and working? This way you are debt free, not a burden on the state and might even get health insurance via your job that you are using to pay your way through college. There is a term you never hear any more, pay your way.

You have to believe in yourself, not some temporary politician in DC that promises to play Santa Claus.

[quote name='zabbazooey' timestamp='1352410418' post='2506656']
Yes, wanting an affordable college education and accessible health care is so selfish of me. Shame on me for wanting to finish and become a speech pathologist and give back to my community rather than throwing up my hands and saying OH WELL because my parents both aren't eligible to sign for any sort of loan and have no extra income to give, and resigning myself to working a low income job forever and ever. And neither am I! I can't get a loan, I don't have the income or credit. So thank you to Obama for extending the Pell Grant program and keeping interest rates on federal loans low. Or I guess I could do like Paul Ryan suggested and work 3 jobs -- also not feasible due to my program requirements and schedule.

I'm so selfish for wanting affordable health care that won't deny me coverage based on some of my issues like my moderate to severe scoliosis. I guess I should just let it go and progress past the 50 degrees it is already at and buy myself a walker or wheelchair -- 'cause eventually I'll need it if I don't have my surgery.

I don't care about hiding it anymore on here -- I am not Catholic, there are more issues at stake than PRO LIFE stuff. Open your eyes. A healthy, WELL-EDUCATED nation is ALWAYS good for the economy!

Pro-life means more than just being pro fetus.

Also, I've paid taxes ever since I started working when I was 14 years old. I am by no means trying to smell of elderberries the system dry or go on welfare, food stamps, disability, or any of that stuff.
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[zabbazooey]

Tried Medicare and tried to get on state insurance in 2009 when I had to go to the hospital for another pre-existing condition, I was DENIED because I 'made too much money'

Was not eligible for benefits through my job, could not purchase private insurance through another agency due to these conditions. So yes, thanks Obama!

"trying to do all they can to minimize the Catholic population"...lawl...don't forget to adjust your tinfoil hat.