Our Country's Voters Are Stupid

[Freedom]

I'm quite the opposite of liberal. I'm very conservative except maybe in the summer, it's hot.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1352439502' post='2506940']
I'm quite the opposite of liberal.
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To an anarchist, you most definitely are not.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1352409875' post='2506654']
I'll answer in a sincere way. Please no troller responses, I'm not in the mood to play. Anyone who voted for him or voted for a 3rd party which resulted in Romney not getting the support he needed, I wouldn't call them "stupid."

I actually never did, I thought the title of this thread was completely accurate and the person who started this thread admitted it was posted out of frustration and who can blame her?

I would say that all who voted for Obama and voted for a 3rd party to not give the support that Romney needed, lead to Obama becoming re-elected. I honestly believe they did this through selfishness and I'm not talking about Phatmassers, I'm talking about people nation wide.

American citizens vote thinking, 'what can I get out of this country?' Instead of thinking, 'what can I do for this country?'

So no, I don't consider Obama voters stupid or not intelligent. We asked for this, we'll see what happens and may God help us.
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Fair enough. Thanks for the earnest response.

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1352410675' post='2506658']
wow, do you know that Bush presided over the the economy tanking? the whole crisis there was under Bush's watch and came after 8 years of him in office and you think he was good for the economy?
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Bush played a role...but so did a lot of people. Obama will continue to perpetuate it. Either way, we're screwed.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='zabbazooey' timestamp='1352414175' post='2506693']
Hey I only said that because you assumed that I'm going to this obscenely expensive school (false) and that I didn't try a community college first (false)

I got my GED at 16, got a full ride to a 2 yr school, and am finishing it out now.

I'm sorry but the way things are with my personal money situation there is no possible way I could get through without some of these policies and the federal aid. I'd rather pay higher taxes so someone in my situation can get some help and thrive and grow and get a GREAT paying job (woot) as an SLP who will end up giving back to their community than reserve higher education for the elite or people who do have the credit to get a loan. And sorry, my program is pretty rigorous, the whole Paul Ryan "work three jobs" suggestion isn't going to cut it for me.

I'm not going to need this help forever. But I'm grateful for it now. At least I am not a welfare queen.

EVERYONE deserves a fair shake when it comes to college. You may not be able to go to Harvard, but you'll be able to afford a reputable state school nonetheless.
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Why do you deserve my money for what you think is your right for a fair shake at college? I didn't get go go to college! I didn't have the opportunity for a free two year ride for anything! I had to go to work and earn my [mod]Language --franciscanheart[/mod]. I had family medical issues that weren't paid for by others and had to sacrifice cars, clothes, good, fun, to pay for body braces and ex rays. I had to skip meals, work more hours, do without to have what I have now, to have the skills and experience to make more than ten dollars an hour and I OWE it to you? I'll have to work until I die because I get taxed do much I have no other option.

I used to have affordable insurance that covered me, my wife, and daughter up to $2mill each if us. Low deduct, etc. 2 years later I have to pay More than twice for just my wife and I and can't afford coverage for my daughter who has pre/existing medical issues. I have to have unlimited coverage in my wife and I because the Government said so. I can't choose to insure just my daughter because the Government said so. I now have a $7,500 deductible because of paying for unlimited benefits I can't afford. I can't pick my Doctor because everyone has to be in a network because the system is now so [mod]Language --franciscanheart[/mod] up there's a half dozen clerks to handle the paperwork for a checkup an flu shot.

Sorry about your luck, blame God and go ask your church for money, please stop stealing mine because you think you're morally justified.

[zabbazooey]

I just want to say that my free 2 year ride was due to academics not the government. And if a good deal of my taxes go to things I do not use or want and I get this small benefit for once I will use it.

And I don't believe in god or organized religion for that matter. So that's kind of pointless. For Pete's sake the interest I pay back and the increased salary that I will be making resulting in higher taxes will more than make up for the small leg up the government is giving me/loaning me.

I'm sorry you didn't go to college. You might be eligible too. If you're a leech like me fafsa.ed.gov

Has no one really ever used FAFSA on here? Really?!

edited myself because I sounded mean

Edited November 9, 2012 by zabbazooey

[Anomaly]

[quote name='zabbazooey' timestamp='1352465902' post='2507107']
I just want to say that my free 2 year ride was due to academics not the government. And if a good deal of my taxes go to things I do not use or want and I get this small benefit for once I will use it.

And I don't believe in god or organized religion for that matter. So that's kind of pointless. For Christ sake the interest I pay back and the increased salary that I will be making resulting in higher taxes will more than make up for the small leg up the government is giving me/loaning me.

I'm sorry you didn't go to college. You might be eligible too. If you're a leech like me fafsa.ed.gov
[/quote]My bad guessing you were religious. It's confusing here sometimes. As an atheist, my personal morality envisions me being responsible to work and pay for my own stuff. I don't steal when I encounter bad luck and i think its fair to prevent people from stealing from me.

Edited November 9, 2012 by Anomaly

[zabbazooey]

And I apologize if I sound rude in my posts, I guess I am learning as much about you as you are about me. I didn't know a large amount of people don't utilize FAFSA to help pay for college...pretty much everyone I go to school with/know that are going to college are using it at least somewhat to pay for tuition.

[Anomaly]

Where do you think that's net comes from? If it isn't all freely given for that purpose, then it's stolen via taxes.

[zabbazooey]

Well, the way I see it, I pay taxes for a lot of things I have never used/may never use/do not agree with. There are a lot of things about the welfare system, food stamps, whatever that I don't like.

I actually work for a living. I pay taxes. I pay my bills. I participate in no other social program than FAFSA. I work very hard, so when at the beginning of each school year, when I fill out my little form at fafsa.ed.gov if I am eligible for a Pell Grant (this is the first year I have been, and it's way under $1,000) or a Stafford loan which most are UNsubsidized and I am paying 6.8% interest on this LOAN while in school and after I get out...to put it in a Minnesotan way: Yah, you betcha I am going to take the help.

I pay for my living expenses myself, my books, parking passes for school, tuition is the only thing I pay with this aid -- which is mostly loans.

And as I have stated before, I am not eligible for private loans, otherwise I would have gone that avenue and graduated at 22 like you are "supposed to". My parents can't co-sign, I know of no other creditworthy co-signer (which would be weird anyways lol), and I don't have the income level or credit necessary to secure one on my own.

And no, you do not need to repeat to me again that I need to be working three jobs for decades to pay cash for all of this.

So REALLY...no one on here uses FAFSA?? I do find that hard to believe.

[Anomaly]

Maybe you should consider your life circumstances aren't such you can put your efforts to both an education and take care of your back. Your free to choose either, but I don't think it's fair to steal from me so you can have both NOW, since I've had to do without and had to choose because I didn't have a system that would steal for me. I guess that's just my luck.

[zabbazooey]

Ok I get it with the Fafsa thing...yes I am a horrible leech on the system, stealing from the taxpayers yeahyeahyeah. At least I can say pretty much except for the less than $1000[i] [/i]get in grants a year, which I pay more taxes than that in a year, everything else is a loan, with interest. I will be paying it for years. The government is more than going to get their money back.

But as for the whole healthcare thing, I'm on my dad's insurance because I am still under 26, this was not possible before. He doesn't pay a dime more for his premium because he already has my sister on there (younger sister). I'm not on government healthcare.

Edited November 9, 2012 by zabbazooey

[Anomaly]

[quote name='zabbazooey' timestamp='1352469352' post='2507132']
Ok I get it with the Fafsa thing...yes I am a horrible leech on the system, stealing from the taxpayers yeahyeahyeah. At least I can say pretty much except for the less than $1000[i] [/i]get in grants a year, which I pay more taxes than that in a year, everything else is a loan, with interest. I will be paying it for years. The government is more than going to get their money back.

But as for the whole healthcare thing, I'm on my dad's insurance because I am still under 26, this was not possible before. He doesn't pay a dime more for his premium because he already has my sister on there (younger sister). I'm not on government healthcare.
[/quote]I can 100% guarentee you that the insurance premium is more to cover the both of you and have the new Government mandated terms and limits. If he isn't paying the additional premium, then the Company is paying for it and is taking the money out of other benefits, hiring new people, not upgrading machinery, or somewhere else. The additional money just doesn't come out of profit and everything else stays the same.

The government is getting it back? It was MY FAMILY's money, taken from me, my wife, my children. WE earned it without a college degree, wearing cheap clothing, eating cheap food, driving old cars, with our personal sacrifices. Why are YOU entitled now, to our sacrifices and hard work?

[BG45]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1352389559' post='2506551']
I never saw any at my parish either. Though I only go to a huge run of the mill, suburban NO parish that just practices Catholicism. I'm sure there were parishoners who did vote for Obama (this is Minnesota, after all), just never saw any stickers.
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I never saw any at my large university parish either, and it's just full of academics and students, and we all know how evil and liberal those types are! I did, however, see Romney stickers and "Abortion is murder" on several cars.

[Winchester]

[quote name='CherieMadame' timestamp='1352262083' post='2505449']

3rd party voters aren't allowed to complain. A
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You state worshipers, always with the commands.

Maybe you should learn the electoral process. It's your religion, at least study its catechism.