Our Country's Voters Are Stupid

[StMichael]

You made an assumption.

You also have a lot of needs that you expect, rather feel entitled to, to be covered off by strangers.

Where does this fairness come from? The government? Who decides what is fair? I wish you luck but you and many others like you will see what the consequences are for giving up their liberty. The sad part is that you take mine with it.

[quote name='zabbazooey' timestamp='1352414175' post='2506693']
Hey I only said that because you assumed that I'm going to this obscenely expensive school (false) and that I didn't try a community college first (false)

I got my GED at 16, got a full ride to a 2 yr school, and am finishing it out now.

I'm sorry but the way things are with my personal money situation there is no possible way I could get through without some of these policies and the federal aid. I'd rather pay higher taxes so someone in my situation can get some help and thrive and grow and get a GREAT paying job (woot) as an SLP who will end up giving back to their community than reserve higher education for the elite or people who do have the credit to get a loan. And sorry, my program is pretty rigorous, the whole Paul Ryan "work three jobs" suggestion isn't going to cut it for me.

I'm not going to need this help forever. But I'm grateful for it now. At least I am not a welfare queen.

EVERYONE deserves a fair shake when it comes to college. You may not be able to go to Harvard, but you'll be able to afford a reputable state school nonetheless.
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[zabbazooey]

I believe as a nation we all should have the opportunity. I pay taxes, if the system is such that a federal aid system is set up, and it so happens I am eligible, I am going to take the opportunity to improve myself. I believe that the government/taxpayer's/program's investment will go far, seeing as that many fields ARE growing and I will be able to pay even MORE taxes once I earn more money, growing the economy, strengthening our country.

I pay into it, why can't I benefit from it?

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='zabbazooey' timestamp='1352425973' post='2506856']
I believe as a nation we all should have the opportunity. I pay taxes, if the system is such that a federal aid system is set up, and it so happens I am eligible, I am going to take the opportunity to improve myself. I believe that the government/taxpayer's/program's investment will go far, seeing as that many fields ARE growing and I will be able to pay even MORE taxes once I earn more money, growing the economy, strengthening our country.

I pay into it, why can't I benefit from it?
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If that was in response to my question, that is not what I asked. I said persons quite intentionally.

[zabbazooey]

It's not like I'm getting a $20,000 per year flat out grant from the government. And going to Yale. I am going to an all right state school, which is a low cost alternative, and busting my butt.

[zabbazooey]

All tax payers pay taxes. So all tax payers pay into it. As a tax payer, I am OK with that. I get a benefit from the program. As a tax payer, I am OK with that.

[Jesus_lol]

You dont ask a person who had a car accident why they deserve to use other people's money to repair the car/damages after they have been paying into insurance for that very purpose.

[StMichael]

Romney lost his bid to become the 45th President.

Aside from that, he actually worked in the private sector and did so to a level of success that you seem to want to dismiss. I wish our current president had at the very least ran a lemonade stand before his institutionalized career of theory as he is clueless at what it takes to run a business.

Romney, while not my choice, has my respect for how he saved and invested in companies from Staples to Sports Authority. I cannot question his abilities there nor the reward. He was a good businessman, which to your ilk means he must be killed.

Romney did not make his money by way of a government handing it to him. Nor did he go to the government to line his pockets. Romney spent his money. If the risk lost, he lost. If the risk won, he won. That is called America.

What you profess is utopia. It is what Obama professes. A government run heaven on earth. Sadly this has been tried a zillion times in the world's history, but the only time man was set free of the government, it gave us the USA.

So take your free healthcare, your free education, maybe get some other freebies all in exchange for your, and my, freedom.

[quote name='zabbazooey' timestamp='1352425621' post='2506848']
oh my goodness (don't blasphemy) PEOPLE I NEVER SAID I WAS GOING TO GET RICH! Starting salary with a MASTER'S is $45,000

This is why Obama needs to get to work on improving education. Obviously people cannot read. Or spell properly. (Businesses generally don't higher people, they HIRE them).

If you wanna crab about people getting rich with minimal to NO effort, take a look at your LOSER presidential wannabe, MITT ROMNEY.
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Edited November 9, 2012 by StMichael

[Maggyie]

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Edited November 9, 2012 by Maggie

[Lil Red]

could everyone take a step back and perhaps stop talking about zabba's situation personally (yes, I know she's the one that brought it up)....

instead, let's talk in generics.

[zabbazooey]

FWIW, my mom and pop aren't paying for my wedding, either. And no, the government isn't paying for it either tee hee

[Norseman82]

[quote name='zabbazooey' timestamp='1352414175' post='2506693']
Hey I only said that because you assumed that I'm going to this obscenely expensive school (false) and that I didn't try a community college first (false)

I got my GED at 16, got a full ride to a 2 yr school, and am finishing it out now.

I'm sorry but the way things are with my personal money situation there is no possible way I could get through without some of these policies and the federal aid. I'd rather pay higher taxes so someone in my situation can get some help and thrive and grow and get a GREAT paying job (woot) as an SLP who will end up giving back to their community than reserve higher education for the elite or people who do have the credit to get a loan. And sorry, my program is pretty rigorous, the whole Paul Ryan "work three jobs" suggestion isn't going to cut it for me.

I'm not going to need this help forever. But I'm grateful for it now. At least I am not a welfare queen.

EVERYONE deserves a fair shake when it comes to college. You may not be able to go to Harvard, but you'll be able to afford a reputable state school nonetheless.
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Doesn't your school offer insurance for students?

[zabbazooey]

[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1352428415' post='2506877']
Doesn't your school offer insurance for students?
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It's more if you get in an accident or need immunizations. I see a doctor 1x a month and have 7 prescriptions I refill on a monthly basis so it wouldn't really cover that sort of thing. Plus I have upcoming surgery, definitely not covered lol.

[missionseeker]

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1352409875' post='2506654']
I'll answer in a sincere way. Please no troller responses, I'm not in the mood to play. Anyone who voted for him or voted for a 3rd party which resulted in Romney not getting the support he needed, I wouldn't call them "stupid."

I actually never did, I thought the title of this thread was completely accurate and the person who started this thread admitted it was posted out of frustration and who can blame her?

I would say that all who voted for Obama and voted for a 3rd party to not give the support that Romney needed, lead to Obama becoming re-elected. I honestly believe they did this through selfishness and I'm not talking about Phatmassers, I'm talking about people nation wide.

American citizens vote thinking, 'what can I get out of this country?' Instead of thinking, 'what can I do for this country?'

So no, I don't consider Obama voters stupid or not intelligent. We asked for this, we'll see what happens and may God help us.
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Um, no. You don't get to blame third party voters. Sorry.

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I have seen quite a few posts and comments on Facebook indicating that if Obama won this election (which he did), it would be the fault of all those people who chose to vote for neither Romney nor Obama, mostly the people who are believed to have otherwise voted for Romney. Living in a swing state (Colorado) I have been entreated by several people to please not throw my vote away and be [i]the reason[/i] Obama got another four years. I have also been the recipient of very harsh words to that effect.[/size][/font][/color][color=#333333][font=Georgia, 'Bitstream Charter', serif][size=4]
As soon as the election was called at about ten o’clock Mountain time last night, pro-life activist Abby Johnson wrote an angry post blaming third party voters for Romney’s loss, and I quickly saw several comments and other posts to that effect. The election was so close, they claimed, that third party voters ruined it for everyone.[/size][/font][/color][color=#333333][font=Georgia, 'Bitstream Charter', serif][size=4]
But did we?[/size][/font][/color][color=#333333][font=Georgia, 'Bitstream Charter', serif][size=4]
Using [url="http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results"]this election map[/url] as my source, mainly because it accounts for all votes for “other,” not just votes for Gary Johnson, I made up a simple Excel spreadsheet where I recorded the votes for Obama, Romney and “Other” in all the states where Obama won. Then I added the votes for “Other” to the votes for Romney, making the generous and faulty assumption that every single person in every single blue state who voted for “Other” would have voted for Romney instead. Below is a screen shot of my table.[/size][/font][/color]

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As you can see from the table, had every vote that went to “Other” instead been cast for Romney, Obama would have still won in all the blue states except for Florida, where the results were actually close enough that all “other” votes going to Romney would have swung Florida to Romney. So the best case scenario is that instead of losing the election with 206 electoral votes to Obama’s 303 with the Florida votes still being unassigned (probably pending ballot hand counting), Romney would have instead lost the election with 235 electoral votes to Obama’s 303.[/size]
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Obviously that end math there is wrong, since there are only a certain number of electoral votes, and you'd have to subtract 29 from Obama. But even that leaves Obama with 274, which is what he needs to win.


So.. nice try, but that ain't happening.

[url="http://fernandapowers.com/2012/11/07/did-third-party-voting-throw-the-election/"]http://fernandapowers.com/2012/11/07/did-third-party-voting-throw-the-election/[/url]

[foundsheep]

Proverbs 24
14If a king is honestly for the rights of the poor,
his throne stands firm forever.

[missionseeker]

[quote name='zabbazooey' timestamp='1352428650' post='2506878']

It's more if you get in an accident or need immunizations. I see a doctor 1x a month and have 7 prescriptions I refill on a monthly basis so it wouldn't really cover that sort of thing. Plus I have upcoming surgery, definitely not covered lol.
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I just have to ask if you are aware that the new laws prohibit insurance from allowing a patient to be readmitted within 30 days? So if you had a surgery, and then got sent home, but came down with a really bad infection, you would not be readmitted (at least not with the insurance paying for it). I have a friend who works in a hospital and she has had to turn cancer patients away because they can only be admitted once every thirty days, no matter how bad it is (the guy she turned away today couldn't breathe and had cancer)

This friend was all about Obama at least a couple of weeks ago. So I'm not asking out of malice or anything. But this is something that I haven't seen that very many people are aware of it.