Our Country's Voters Are Stupid

[zabbazooey]

[mod]MIKolbe-personal attack[/mod] I went to a community college for TWO YEARS already, got my gen eds, polishing off my Bachelor's as we speak and will be getting a Master's in Speech-Language Pathology....at a LOW COST STATE SCHOOL. Guess what...SLPs make just a little more than $20k a year so where is your argument?

I moved 400 miles away from Minnesota to go to a school I COULD afford (since no schools there had the degree I wanted that I could pay for)...I get scholarships through the Midwest Student Exchange Program and the Advantage Scholarship so I am actually paying resident tuition.

I am living within my means, thank you very much. I pay taxes, have never taken advantage of any other government help.

I AM going part time, I AM working, the piddle that is left over after paying all of my bills, which includes NOTHING extravagant, go straight towards savings for guess what...grad school.

I'm sorry but I'd rather pay taxes so our nation can be healthy, thriving, and well educated. There should be no reason the leader of the free world should be lagging so badly!

I work my booty off, I deserve my Pell Grants and my federal aid!

[zabbazooey]

PS...the majority of jobs in my metropolitan area that OFFER health insurance are full time during the day. The speech-language pathology classes are guess....DURING THE DAY.

I can't do that!

[StMichael]

So you made too much money? Therefore what you are saying is that instead of taking care of yourself, being self sufficient, and not wanting to adjust your life by either making a personal choice of using your own resources to cover your bills, or taking a job that paid less so you could fall into the coverage, I have to pay for your insurance.


[quote name='zabbazooey' timestamp='1352411737' post='2506667']
Tried Medicare and tried to get on state insurance in 2009 when I had to go to the hospital for another pre-existing condition, I was DENIED because I 'made too much money'

Was not eligible for benefits through my job, could not purchase private insurance through another agency due to these conditions. So yes, thanks Obama!

"trying to do all they can to minimize the Catholic population"...lawl...don't forget to adjust your tinfoil hat.
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[zabbazooey]

I was one of the millions who fall between the cracks.

How the hell am I supposed to cover a $25,000 hospital bill out of my measly salary, much less the doctor visits, surgeries, monthly prescriptions, all of this which is either genetic or has an idiopathic cause (it's not like I gained 500 lbs and want all of my diabetes and doctor stuff covered)

Yes, someone who makes $10.00 an hour (at the time, I make LESS now) who is not offered health insurance through their employer, cannot get state aid, Medicare, private insurance...now that the Affordable Healthcare Act is here and now I CAN have insurance, you bet I'm gonna take it.

I pay taxes, I pay for it too.

[zabbazooey]

Jobs these days that do offer insurance I cannot take either because I am unqualified, cannot physically do the work (yes, I tried to work at UPS for the stellar benefits for about 2 months but it killed my back), I cannot physically be there (school)

Oh you will be happy to know that I am getting married in April and will then "LEECH" off of my husband's insurance (union insurance hahahahahaha)

Edited November 8, 2012 by zabbazooey

[Freedom]

[quote name='zabbazooey' timestamp='1352410418' post='2506656']

Yes, wanting an affordable college education and accessible health care is so selfish of me.
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[size=4]Who helps make college more affordable[font="Helvetica"] and helps make healthcare more accessible? Tax payers do and with so many millions of Americans unemployed, they can't pay taxes, therefore cannot help you out with what you need because there just isn't enough money![/font][/size]

[size=4][font="Helvetica"]To be eligible to receive a loan you must have perfect credit otherwise you don't get a loan. Sorry, that's just the way the real world works.[/font][/size]

[size=4][font="Helvetica"]You're right, the system is so dried up you may not even qualify for welfare or food stamps. Sometimes life stinks. [/font][/size]
[size=4][font="Helvetica"]This economy needs jobs in order to help anyone out, especially those who live off the government. No jobs, no taxes, no more money, no nothing. [/font][/size]

[StMichael]

Sticks and stones...

The problem here is that nowhere in the Constitution does it cite you have a right to government aid of any nature.

I am certain you work hard, most of us do, some of us have our hand out because we break a sweat, others continue muscle through and succeed with what they have. We all have stories. Yours is not the first nor last story of perceived hardship to reach your personal goals. What is new, however, is the sense of entitlement. That somehow your neighbors need to pave the way for you, ensuring it is easy for you and with no return.

And it is not just you, you have plenty of company that believe they are owed something and now you have someone, albeit temporary, sitting in DC telling you that yes you are correct, here ya go. But in 10 years time, when you have achieved whatever path you have taken, you will be astonished at how little you will have for the liberty you have given up.

Ho, ho, ho....

[quote name='zabbazooey' timestamp='1352412071' post='2506670']
Hey arse face I went to a community college for TWO YEARS already, got my gen eds, polishing off my Bachelor's as we speak and will be getting a Master's in Speech-Language Pathology....at a LOW COST STATE SCHOOL. Guess what...SLPs make just a little more than $20k a year so where is your argument?

I moved 400 miles away from Minnesota to go to a school I COULD afford (since no schools there had the degree I wanted that I could pay for)...I get scholarships through the Midwest Student Exchange Program and the Advantage Scholarship so I am actually paying resident tuition.

I am living within my means, thank you very much. I pay taxes, have never taken advantage of any other government help.

I AM going part time, I AM working, the piddle that is left over after paying all of my bills, which includes NOTHING extravagant, go straight towards savings for guess what...grad school.

I'm sorry but I'd rather pay taxes so our nation can be healthy, thriving, and well educated. There should be no reason the leader of the free world should be lagging so badly!

I work my booty off, I deserve my Pell Grants and my federal aid!
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[zabbazooey]

Hey I only said that because you assumed that I'm going to this obscenely expensive school (false) and that I didn't try a community college first (false)

I got my GED at 16, got a full ride to a 2 yr school, and am finishing it out now.

I'm sorry but the way things are with my personal money situation there is no possible way I could get through without some of these policies and the federal aid. I'd rather pay higher taxes so someone in my situation can get some help and thrive and grow and get a GREAT paying job (woot) as an SLP who will end up giving back to their community than reserve higher education for the elite or people who do have the credit to get a loan. And sorry, my program is pretty rigorous, the whole Paul Ryan "work three jobs" suggestion isn't going to cut it for me.

I'm not going to need this help forever. But I'm grateful for it now. At least I am not a welfare queen.

EVERYONE deserves a fair shake when it comes to college. You may not be able to go to Harvard, but you'll be able to afford a reputable state school nonetheless.

Edited November 8, 2012 by zabbazooey

[StMichael]

One option, is to owe the money. Pay as you can. Another is to look at your family for assistance. There are other options than using the government to strong arm your neighbors to pay your way.

Another is consider completing your studies at a later time and getting a fulltime job or moving to a state that ensures that you can coverage.

Being that it is your problem, you should be looking at ways that you can solve it, not where hey, who cares if everyone around me has to pay 25% -50% more, I gots me what I want without having to sacrifice a thing, for now.

Sure you are paying taxes, but that is not what is covering your insurance and it would be a pittance. So, someone else has to pay for you.

Wish you best of health.

[quote name='zabbazooey' timestamp='1352412683' post='2506675']
I was one of the millions who fall between the cracks.

How the hell am I supposed to cover a $25,000 hospital bill out of my measly salary, much less the doctor visits, surgeries, monthly prescriptions, all of this which is either genetic or has an idiopathic cause (it's not like I gained 500 lbs and want all of my diabetes and doctor stuff covered)

Yes, someone who makes $10.00 an hour (at the time, I make LESS now) who is not offered health insurance through their employer, cannot get state aid, Medicare, private insurance...now that the Affordable Healthcare Act is here and now I CAN have insurance, you bet I'm gonna take it.

I pay taxes, I pay for it too.
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[zabbazooey]

Bahahaha if I had family that could afford to help me, they would. You sound a lot like Mitt Romney.

[Freedom]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1352410675' post='2506658']
Yes you do. They probably dont feel like talking to you about it though, which wouldnt be surprising.
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Yo Hesus, you know nothing about me. Please stop making assumptions but I don't have to assume that you are liberal, it's loud and clear.

Oh yes, it's all Bush's fault that we're in such a bad economy (sarcasm anyone?). Please continue to blame Bush and completely ignore the fact that Obama has done nothing to help except get us into more debt. I'm so happy America chose him for a second term. So, let us see what we get out of it.

I'm done with this thread.

[StMichael]

College tuition. I would love to own a business that I can charge any amount I choose, sell that service to a young person and know that I will be paid in full by a 3rd party. No credit check. No collateral. You want it, here ya go. The unsuspecting 18 year old signs up for some $100K per year at an Ivy league school to get a degree that will help them get a job that pays $20k per year. Sorry, the loan process has to be one where the bank is involved and without any Federal support that they are loaning out without any risk.

And besides, do you need a college education to be a fireman? policeman? waiter? If you want to go to college to become a doctor or lawyer or whatever, but to end up with a liberal arts degree, I the tax payer, must subsidize it?

Our populace is loaded with college educated people. So to get a leg up, instead of the college degree, it is the MBA or Phd. Again, the President has ensured that you are a child until the age of 26, so therefore, getting real world anything can wait until you are 30, right?

It is too late now, as over $1 Trillion in student loans are in default and Obama seized it, so the misery gets spread around.

But it is real simple. Can't afford college? Get a loan. Don't qualify for loan? Get a job. College is a luxury, not a right.

Healthcare.

Again, too late, but interstate competition (allowing insurance companies to compete like car insurance companies), Tort reform (the cause of high health care prices are directly related to the ambulance chasers that bring frivolous lawsuits and walk away with $100K a clip raising malpractice insurance and it all gets passed along), The question was never about healthcare, as the US has the best doctors and hospitals. It was about paying for it. So instead of curbing Obama's law buddies, they continue as they did and now have a blank check.

Jobs are not coming. In fact, our friend here should expect to find his new weekly hours coming in at under 30 hours per week as the new fulltime week as per Obamacare is 30. Therefore, companies like Applebees, etc. are moving their employees to 28.5 hours per week to not have to pay insurance fines. Viva freebies!!!


[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1352413571' post='2506684']
[size=4]Who helps make college more affordable[font=Helvetica] and helps make healthcare more accessible? Tax payers do and with so many millions of Americans unemployed, they can't pay taxes, therefore cannot help you out with what you need because there just isn't enough money![/font][/size]

[size=4][font=Helvetica]To be eligible to receive a loan you must have perfect credit otherwise you don't get a loan. Sorry, that's just the way the real world works.[/font][/size]

[size=4][font=Helvetica]You're right, the system is so dried up you may not even qualify for welfare or food stamps. Sometimes life stinks. [/font][/size]
[size=4][font=Helvetica]This economy needs jobs in order to help anyone out, especially those who live off the government. No jobs, no taxes, no more money, no nothing. [/font][/size]
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[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1352414434' post='2506696']

Yo Hesus, you know nothing about me. Please stop making assumptions but I don't have to assume that you are liberal, it's loud and clear.
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This may be the first time that Freebird correctly accused someone of being a liberal.

[zabbazooey]

1 - I am going to a STATE SCHOOL (school is $6000/year), by no means an Ivy League -- I moved to go here, the University of MN (state school) was 17k!!!
2 - My degree is in SPEECH PATHOLOGY not liberal arts -- starting salary is at LEAST 45k, even more if you go into a medical setting (which I do plan on)
3 - I will be getting a PhD eventually, in biological neuroscience

Really, the small investment the government (tax payers) is making in ME will yield great returns down the road. I see where you are going, but this is no way applies to me.

I am not one of those 'kids' (btw I am almost 25) who is getting a degree that will go nowhere, my field is growing exponentially. Has been and will be for years to come.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1352414434' post='2506696']

Yo Hesus, you know nothing about me. Please stop making assumptions but I don't have to assume that you are liberal, it's loud and clear.

Oh yes, it's all Bush's fault that we're in such a bad economy (sarcasm anyone?). Please continue to blame Bush and completely ignore the fact that Obama has done nothing to help except get us into more debt. I'm so happy America chose him for a second term. So, let us see what we get out of it.

I'm done with this thread.
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I dont need to assume anything about you to state that unless you live in a mormon compound, you know at least one person who voted for Obama.

Ok so somehow Bush has no blame for presiding over the economy completely imploding, yet Obama gets all the blame for it not recovering fast enough for you? You dont need to be republican or liberal to figure that one out, it just takes a small portion of brain cells and a little electricity to put that together.

Obama can get all the blame he wants for the current economy and how it has changed since he took office, but that doesnt change the fact that Bush gets the blame for it breaking down in the first place.s if he had a "D" beside his name instead of an "R" you would be railing on him too, and we all know it.

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1352415793' post='2506714']
This may be the first time that Freebird correctly accused someone of being a liberal.
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and even then, she is halfway wrong. You are looking at one of the few canadians who doesnt like Obama. Doesnt mean I dont prefer him a bit to Romney, but I really dont like Obama for countless reasons.