Are You Pro-life?

[dUSt]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1352158858' post='2504814']
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Oh, I get it now. The dolphins kinda look like they are in the same pose as the girls. haha

[Anomaly]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1352159132' post='2504819']

Oh, I get it now. The dolphins kinda look like they are in the same pose as the girls. haha
[/quote]The bottom ones are my tattooed and pierced fierce children that I am inordinately proud of. .

Edited November 6, 2012 by Anomaly

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1352159132' post='2504819']
Oh, I get it now. The dolphins kinda look like they are in the same pose as the girls. haha
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You just now got that?

[Anomaly]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1352161301' post='2504846']


You just now got that?
[/quote]The stunning beauty of my progeny usually renders the water dwelling mammals invisible.

[southern california guy]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1352158858' post='2504814']
ABSOLUTELY YES!

You have to believe that a zygote or fetus is not a life. If you want to be intellectually honest, you will have to decide what is Human life? At want point in the course from conception to dead is it not life? What standard will allow us to determine when we can decapitate or give lethal injection regardless of the desire or will of that life?
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I don't know if many people know much about the original Roe V Wade decision. It actually dealt with this question. And notice how abortion was defended on the grounds of "protecting the women's [b]health[/b]" -- just like Mitt Romney is doing.

Here is a quote from Wikipedia. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade[/url]


[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3][i][b]Roe v. Wade[/b][/i], 410 [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Reports"]U.S.[/url] [url="https://supreme.justia.com/us/410/113/case.html"]113[/url] (1973), is a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_landmark_court_decisions_in_the_United_States"]landmark decision[/url] by the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States"]United States Supreme Court[/url]on the issue of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion"]abortion[/url]. Decided simultaneously with a companion case, [i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doe_v._Bolton"]Doe v. Bolton[/url][/i], the Court ruled that a right to [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy#Privacy_law"]privacy[/url] under the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process"]due process[/url] clause of the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution"]14th Amendment[/url] extended to a woman's decision to have an abortion, [color=#ff0000]but that [size=4][b]right must be balanced[/b][/size] against the state's two legitimate interests in regulating abortions: protecting[b] [size=4]prenatal life[/size][/b] and protecting women's [/color][size=4][b][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#"][color=#FF0000]health[/color][/url][/b][/size]. Arguing that these state interests became stronger over the course of a pregnancy, [b]the Court resolved this [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balancing_test"]balancing test[/url] by[color=#ff0000] [/color][/b][color=#ff0000]tying [size=4][b]state regulation[/b][/size] of abortion to the[/color][b][color=#ff0000] [/color][size=4][i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimester_(pregnancy)#Physiology"][color=#FF0000]trimester of pregnancy[/color][/url][/i][/size][color=#ff0000].[/color][/b][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3]The Court [color=#ff0000]later rejected[/color] [i]Roe[/i]'s [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#"]trimester[/url] framework, while affirming [i]Roe[/i]'s central holding that a person has a right to abortion until [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viability_(fetal)"]viability[/url].[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#cite_note-0"][1][/url][/sup] The [i]Roe[/i] decision defined "viable" as being "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid", adding that viability "is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks."[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#cite_note-1"][2][/url][/sup][/size][/font][/color]

Edited November 6, 2012 by southern california guy

[To Jesus Through Mary]

[quote name='southern california guy' timestamp='1352166621' post='2504924']
I don't know if many people know much about the original Roe V Wade decision. It actually dealt with this question. And notice how abortion was defended on the grounds of "protecting the women's [b]health[/b]" -- just like Mitt Romney is doing.

Here is a quote from Wikipedia. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade"]http://en.wikipedia....iki/Roe_v._Wade[/url]


[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3][i][b]Roe v. Wade[/b][/i], 410 [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Reports"]U.S.[/url] [url="https://supreme.justia.com/us/410/113/case.html"]113[/url] (1973), is a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_landmark_court_decisions_in_the_United_States"]landmark decision[/url] by the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States"]United States Supreme Court[/url]on the issue of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion"]abortion[/url]. Decided simultaneously with a companion case, [i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doe_v._Bolton"]Doe v. Bolton[/url][/i], the Court ruled that a right to [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy#Privacy_law"]privacy[/url] under the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process"]due process[/url] clause of the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution"]14th Amendment[/url] extended to a woman's decision to have an abortion, [color=#ff0000]but that [size=4][b]right must be balanced[/b][/size] against the state's two legitimate interests in regulating abortions: protecting[b] [size=4]prenatal life[/size][/b] and protecting women's [/color][size=4][b][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#"][color=#FF0000]health[/color][/url][/b][/size]. Arguing that these state interests became stronger over the course of a pregnancy, [b]the Court resolved this [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balancing_test"]balancing test[/url] by[color=#ff0000] [/color][/b][color=#ff0000]tying [size=4][b]state regulation[/b][/size] of abortion to the[/color][b][color=#ff0000] [/color][size=4][i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimester_(pregnancy)#Physiology"][color=#FF0000]trimester of pregnancy[/color][/url][/i][/size][color=#ff0000].[/color][/b][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3]The Court [color=#ff0000]later rejected[/color] [i]Roe[/i]'s [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#"]trimester[/url] framework, while affirming [i]Roe[/i]'s central holding that a person has a right to abortion until [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viability_(fetal)"]viability[/url].[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#cite_note-0"][1][/url][/sup] The [i]Roe[/i] decision defined "viable" as being "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid", adding that viability "is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks."[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#cite_note-1"][2][/url][/sup][/size][/font][/color]
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But it was Doe vs Bolton (the accompany case of Roe v Wade) that defined what the health of the mother was (including mental anguish of the family members) and extended the ability to abort up to birth. Which is how they are able to bypass state laws that govern that. Granted it is more difficult to find a 3 trimester abortionist as the liability in those cases are very high.

As an interesting note, viability is at about 20.5 weeks now yet many states have 24 weeks as their limit.

ETA: Here is a nice little summary of Doe v Bolton for ya http://orderinthecourt.org/Cases/Doe-v-Bolton

Edited November 6, 2012 by To Jesus Through Mary