This Is The Mother Of All Youtubes, Watch.

[Freedom]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1351641101' post='2500645']
my temper often gets the better of me, especially when my friends are insulted & attacked. i apologize that i allowed my temper to blind me to the fact that you are fairly new to phatmass and that you should have been given the benefit of the doubt. i do not excuse your insults and attacks though, so be warned that you'll still be called out for continually insulting and attacking phorum members.
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I'm shaking in my boots... My life depends on being here with you guys, I beg you to keep me, maybe to please you I should reconsider having a brain. In a more serious note, if you had read all my posts, nothing in them even resembles insults or attacks. Also I have my own charity, thank you very much, sorry I did not wait for you to tell me what charity I should contribute to.... Won't happen again.

[KnightofChrist]

Umm flipping rolling donuts...

[Freedom]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1351642124' post='2500657']
I'm not trying to tell you what to do, I'm suggesting a better way to for you to get your point accross because iI agree with much of what youre saying. I also dont like the reactions you are getting from most people and it detracts from what i think is your good intentions. I also think some if the criticism you get is deserved only as far as how your tone comes across. No, suggesting something to you about how you interact doesnt make me feel better at all.
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Thank you for your input but the way I come across reflects whom I am and if some don't like me that way, then it's their problem.

[kujo]

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1351643285' post='2500667']
I'm shaking in my boots... My life depends on being here with you guys, I beg you to keep me, maybe to please you I should reconsider having a brain. In a more serious note, if you had read all my posts, nothing in them even resembles insults or attacks. Also I have my own charity, thank you very much, sorry I did not wait for you to tell me what charity I should contribute to.... Won't happen again.
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It's official--Freedom is dUst...can't be a real person...no flooping way...

[Freedom]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1351642938' post='2500665']
You have to be FLoOPING kidding me.

I gave a long detailed post wherein I addressed the 5 main points of the original post's video. I divided the first point of the video into 2 parts because it was addressing two different issues in my opinion. I numerated the points so that you could respond individually to either one or all of them. In the course of doing so I defended Freedom's post from accusations that it was "trolling", I addressed all the points seriously, and I attempted to be fair and rational. I could understand a newbie like Freedom possibly being willing to ignore such intellectual discourse, but as the founder of this website I'd invite you to either engage in LEGITIMATE DEBATE or get the heck out of the debate table before you damage your credibility. You're better than that, man. seriously.

I don't care if someone thinks I'm an Obama supporter. I'm not. I absolutely detest Obama. But if that's what you think, that's a problem with your analytical skills, not my posts, and I could give exactly 2 rat's rear ends (to use freedom's euphamism for asses). But yeah, it doesn't really matter to me if you are too stupid and BLINDED by political the essence of cow to read through my argument or to respond to it. Whether I'm an Obama supporter or not is NOT the topic of this debate; the topic of this debate is the "mother of all youtube videos" which I have responded to point-by-point. It was certainly a long post (in response to a long youtube video that was posted as the first post of this thread) and if you'd rather only take the time to refute me on only one specific point then be my guest, you don't have to go through all of my points; but it was the original post itself that brought up all 5 points and that's why I addressed all 5 points.
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Yawning... whoops is this considered as an insult too? If it is, sorry I couldn't help it, it was a natural reaction.

[Freedom]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1351643640' post='2500676']

It's official--Freedom is dUst...can't be a real person...no flooping way...
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Thank you... I hope dUst is also happy with this. Haha.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1351643285' post='2500667']
I'm shaking in my boots... My life depends on being here with you guys, I beg you to keep me, maybe to please you I should reconsider having a brain. In a more serious note, if you had read all my posts, nothing in them even resembles insults or attacks. Also I have my own charity, thank you very much, sorry I did not wait for you to tell me what charity I should contribute to.... Won't happen again.
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If by "won't happen again", you mean you won't post, I think I owe Red a Cadillac.

On a serious note, you obviously have more than a few attention whore chromosomes mixed in whatever passes as human cellular material, so yeah, ya need us. I think you'd thrive on a banhammer, though. You'd go to some other forum and [i][color=#FF0000]beesh[/color][/i] about how a bunch of liberal cafeteria Catholics unwilling to [mod]MIKolbe- Personal Attack[/mod]

[Aloysius]

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1351643767' post='2500680']
Yawning... whoops is this considered as an insult too? If it is, sorry I couldn't help it, it was a natural reaction.
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listen, if all you can muster is one-liner responses, don't post 7 minute videos with 5 major points (the first one being the most important and actually consisting of two separate issues worthy of being divided into 1a and 1b). I took the time to go through them all, I even took the time to DEFEND you against accusations that you were just a troll, and the biggest thing you've participated in proving me wrong on is the opposition to the accusation of your trolldom. You're making it very hard for me to convince people you're not just a troll, but I'm still trying because on some level I think you are sincere...

[Anomaly]

Al, and others are over thinking and over analyzing the bite for President.

It's either Romney or Obama. Period. It's a very close race so a group of votes matters.

There is no way that Democrats and Obama will be better for pro-life issues. I'll concede it may be possible Romney isn't ideal. I didn't vote for him in the PrimAries

Worst case choice is:
A -known pro-abortion
or
B -possible pro-abortion


Twisting it up into a huge political scheme is not applicable.

Some of us see it as a clear decision as that and see the arguments against that as fantastical, biased, erroneous, specious, false, mistaken, egregious, etc.

It's frustrating and deeply painful when we see the possibility of a minor victory against attacks on the lives of powerless in-womb persons lost because people we think share our ideals won't vote with us.

When I was concerned with a post death judgement, I was afraid to respond to God that I was afraid to make a mistake and risk my soul when deciding whether to act in the most helpful way to protect the voiceless innocents. It reminds me of the Parable where the Master beats the servant who buried the talents for fear if losing them.

[Nihil Obstat]

I know trolls. I call it like I see it.

[dUSt]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1351642343' post='2500660']

I wonder if new people who didn't happen to agree with dUst would be given such deferential treatment?
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You question my authority!? I will have you taunted.

[Aloysius]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1351634184' post='2500552']
Let's try to ignore the arguments against the user Freedom for her tactics, please leave that alone, that's just as much a distraction as everything else is (remember, ad argumentum not ad hominem). We should instead engage the arguments brought by the video; the exact type of arguments I was consistently HOPING and trying to ARGUE THAT people like freedom should be making. These are [b]more legitimate arguments [/b]and they deserve real discussion.

First TELLING statement in the youtube video: "You [b]can[/b] question where Romney stands..." Absolutely true. You absolutely can question where Romney stands and it is by no means clearly evident that he stands one way or another (his lack of stance has produced increasing pro-abortion policies during his term as governor of Massachusetts, but who's counting, not like he's running for governor of Massachusetts, right?)

#1a Partial birth abortion, Born Alive Infant Protection Act-- No actual legislative action is currently in place, NOR is President Obama currently legislating for such action (nor is there ANY group advocating or lobbying for such legislation credibly, even NARAL took a neutral stance on the Born Alive Protection Act), there is 0% chance that Partial Birth Abortion will be legalized or that the Born Alive Infant Protection Act will be overturned. The fact that Obama was supportive of these things during his career is a great indictment against the evil of his positions, certainly, but the fact that they are not being threatened legislatively makes them election non-issues.

#1b Obama-care- I have already on multiple occasions SHOWN exactly how Mitt Romney has positioned himself to maintain Obama-care. The idea of "death-panels" has been brought up in the video, this is a distraction issue in my opinion (the idea of who should and should not get health care that should save their life is already decided in many different ways that are more or less ethical), and it is much more important to address the other issue of how Obama-care finances abortions/sterilizations/contraception. It's all financed under the same idea: the mandate to pay for health insurance; all of these things were mandated ALSO under the Massachusetts Romney-care health care mandate that forced the exact same kind of health care coverage that Obama-care did.

#2 Same-sex marriage.

Obama thinks same-sex marriage should be up to the states (even in his recent statement in support of same sex marriage, he stated that):

Romney thinks same-sex marriage should be up to the states (while governor of a state he supported civil unions):

#3 Israel and the idea of Irania nuclear missals and meeting with Benjamin NUTinyahu: Did you even see his cartoonish explanation in the UN?? Seriously? In [b]1992[/b] Benjamin Netanyahu said Iran was 3-5 years from a nuclear weapon; 21 years letter he's saying the SAME FREAKING THING. [url="http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2012/07/03/netanyahu-worked-inside-nuclear-smuggling-ring/"] Netanyahu himself was suspected of illegal smuggling of nuclear secrets from the USA[/url], and Israel is one of only 3 nations (includeing Israel, Pakistan, and Israel) to refuse to sign the IAEA Nuclear non-proliferation treaty (if you're good at maths, you'll recognize that Iran [b]has signed[/b] this treaty and to date has not violated the terms of it) and is one of the largest stockpiles of nuclear weapons in the Middle East.

#4 Obama has actually consistently come out in defense of American freedom of speech, but he also expressed that the American administration adamantly rejects the stupidity of the youtube video that was claimed to be a part of the middle east riots that resulted in the death of an American ambassador. [b]For One:[/b] the video itself was absolutely stupid and ridiculous, but nonetheless Obama's administration was correct not to surpress it in any way. The alleged maker of the video having violated the terms of his parole had nothing to do with the Obama administration, and had everything to do with the stupidity of an idiot ex-con who continued to use false names even though he was previously convicted of such action. [b]And Secondly,[/b] the video really didn't have much to do with the real outrage in the middle east; the outrage was centered in places like Libya, Pakistan, and Yemen where people turned out to be outraged mostly about the AGGRESSIVELY VIOLENT policies that the Obama has been spearheading in those countries that have resulted in huge amounts of civilian countries that have understandably made the people upset.

#5 The economy is simply no reason to prefer Romney to Obama; the entitlement and joblessness increase is a result of the cumulation of the policies especially of Jimmy Carter, Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama. The Debt we face now is primarily the result of the cumulation of Reagan, Bush H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, and Obama;m though honorable mention on entitlement and joblessness can be given to Reagan and Geoge H.W., and honorable mention on the debt increase can be given to Clinton. In all of these things, Romney represents a continuation of the same trajectory.

So if Obama wins, this is what does this video say we can expect?:
"the internet to be regulated, the dollar to be worthless, the constitution to be shredded, and for the civilian military to show up on your door for speech violations"
Romney suppots regulating the Internet, folks. That is an an absolutely null point, he explicitly supports such things; and not only that, his own party has spearheaded such things (sans a few objections most notably the Ron/Rand Paul clan who were the biggest sounders of the alarm on such issues)
Romney's economic policies will also result in the worthlessness of the dollar.
Romney will look towards his lawyers, not the Constitution, to figure out what he can and cannot do. He is assuredly happy to continue in the precedents that grant the executive branch more power (which is why his own party in congress has had no serious effort to curb Obama's precedents of executive power; just like Democrats had no credible oppositions to Bush's grabs for executive power)
And neither side is going to explicitly step up against free speech, though both sides have their own records of ways in which they will attempt to curtail it.
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Anomaly, am I seriously the only one that doesn't want to keep re-hashing the same one-liner about who we should or shouldn't vote for and address the points made by the video in the original post??? Am I the only one that watched the original post? (sorry dUSt I haven't watched your video yet, I've already been ignored enough for actually responding to all the points in one video I probably shouldn't add a second video to address unless these points get discussed...)

[b]1a[/b] is partial birth abortion/the born alive act
[b]1b[/b] is Obama-care and funding for abortions etc
[b]2 [/b]is same-sex marriage
[b]3 [/b]is Israel, Iran, and the nuclear issue
[b]4 [/b]is Freedom of speech, which in the conclusion is further elaborated into the censorship of the internet
[b]5 [/b]is the economy

Seriously, just take one of the points and discuss it, you don't have to try to discuss them all; but those were the five points made by the video in the original post and I was given to understand that those would therefore be the issue of this thread... simplistic exhortations to vote one way or another are therefore actually off-topic; perhaps people will decide their votes after analysis of a discussion on the 5 points made by the video, but that could only happen if we bothered to discuss the 5 points of the video, right???

[Winchester]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351644889' post='2500711']
You question my authority!? I will have you taunted.
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I don't question your authority.

Know why? Because an-cap.

[Freedom]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1351644147' post='2500692']
If by "won't happen again", you mean you won't post, I think I owe Red a Cadillac.

On a serious note, you obviously have more than a few attention whore chromosomes mixed in whatever passes as human cellular material, so yeah, ya need us. I think you'd thrive on a banhammer, though. You'd go to some other forum and [i][color=#FF0000]beesh[/color][/i] about how a bunch of liberal cafeteria Catholics unwilling to[mod]MIKolbe- Personal Attack[/mod]
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Well, your liberal gentle style speaks for itself, anyone reading your comment will see who is the attention whore here. I'd rather be whatever I am, than some of the humanoids around here.

[dUSt]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1351642938' post='2500665']
You have to be FLoOPING kidding me.
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Well allow me to retort!