Winchester Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Because it gives fuel to the lie that the United States are one nation, and that secession is not a right. Since lies are inherently sinful, the Pledge should not be recited in Catholic schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1351276467' post='2498028'] Because it gives fuel to the lie that the United States are one nation, and that secession is not a right. Since lies are inherently sinful, the Pledge should not be recited in Catholic schools. [/quote] You can't re-write History. That question was answered in the late 1780's when they adopted the Constitution and superseded the Articles of Confederation. Franklin was never the Benevolent Dictator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 The States never formed a country in the literal sense. They formed a union, whereby they could each secede any time they felt was appropriate. But this is a forgotten detail that modern historians have tried to hide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 All societies are built on a noble lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 (edited) [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1351277775' post='2498033'] The States never formed a country in the literal sense. They formed a union, whereby they could each secede any time they felt was appropriate. But this is a forgotten detail that modern historians have tried to hide. [/quote] Wrong. Read History and figure out what the difference is between the Articles of Confederacy and the Constitution are, when they were written, why a Constitution replacedthe Articles, and what they say. Edited October 26, 2012 by Anomaly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 The South shall rise again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1351279163' post='2498042'] The South shall rise again! [/quote] And the North shall beat it back into its hole again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 [quote name='Era Might' timestamp='1351279209' post='2498043'] And the North shall beat it back into its hole again! [/quote] Sounds like something a blue devil Yankee aggressor would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 there are days I would buy everyone a few beers and kick back. This is one of those days.. except FP, he can watch Teletubbies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 (edited) Oh Winnie you are the master. MIkolbe, can I join you? Edited October 26, 2012 by Amppax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Can we burn the flag now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 (edited) the articles of confederation actually contained the words "perpetual union", which were intentionally omitted from the Constitution so that the states would have the right to secede. in most instances the Constitution strengthened the federal union, but in the singular instance of the right to secession, it weakened it a bit, technically. it was to be a more perfect union, but still a union among sovereign states. the Articles of Confederation required all of the states to come together to do absolutely anything at all. the Constitution replaced them by granting very particular and specific powers to a central government so that the basic functions could be carried out without the impossible task of getting all the states to come together on it. states' individual sovereignty was meant to be maintained. of course, Patrick Henry smelled the rat in the constitution from day one, realizing that eventually those very particular powers would spell the end to the sovereignty of the states (he was the Nigel Farage of the Constitutional Convention); the 9th and 10th amendments were meant to keep that from happening, but over the course of time it has happened anyway. Edited October 26, 2012 by Aloysius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 26, 2012 Author Share Posted October 26, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1351277193' post='2498030'] You can't re-write History. That question was answered in the late 1780's when they adopted the Constitution and superseded the Articles of Confederation. Franklin was never the Benevolent Dictator. [/quote] I don't need to rewrite history; you need to learn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 [quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1351280787' post='2498058'] the articles of confederation actually contained the words "perpetual union", which were intentionally omitted from the Constitution so that the states would have the right to secede. in most instances the Constitution strengthened the federal union, but in the singular instance of the right to secession, it weakened it a bit, technically. it was to be a more perfect union, but still a union among sovereign states. the Articles of Confederation required all of the states to come together to do absolutely anything at all. the Constitution replaced them by granting very particular and specific powers to a central government so that the basic functions could be carried out without the impossible task of getting all the states to come together on it. states' individual sovereignty was meant to be maintained. of course, Patrick Henry smelled the rat in the constitution from day one, realizing that eventually those very particular powers would spell the end to the sovereignty of the states (he was the Nigel Farage of the Constitutional Convention); the 9th and 10th amendments were meant to keep that from happening, but over the course of time it has happened anyway. [/quote]Henry and other's lost the argument of the idea of a 'loose' union of individual states. It was addressing specific issues when the war was won and terms were being negotiated with England in conjuction with our relationship with France. It came up again during the Civil war. Like it or not, you're arguing with the reality of what is. Want a different system? Revolution, not re-interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Ah, finally I can post this without everyone getting their panties in a twist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=618U-_8o31k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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