Not Voting Because You're Displeased With Candidates

[MIKolbe]

yourself excluded, of course...

[Anomaly]

[quote name='ToJesusMyHeart' timestamp='1351127188' post='2497247']
Opinions?

Personally, I think this is irresponsible and lazy and a cop-out. Friends of mine aren't voting because they don't think Romney is "good enough," even though they agree he is better than Obama. I think this is awful, because by not voting, they're throwing away their vote and making it easier for Obama to win.

Everyone needs to vote who is of age, IMO.

What do y'all think about this?
[/quote]Do a little research on the Catholic perspective.

[b]2240[/b] Submission to authority and co-responsibility for the common good [b]make it morally obligatory [/b]to pay taxes, [b]to exercise the right to vote[/b], and to defend one's country:

[b]1919[/b] Every human community needs an authority in order to endure and develop.
<a name="1920">[b]1920[/b] "The political community and public authority are based on human nature and therefore . . . belong to an order established by God" ([i]GS [/i]74 § 3).

[b]1750[/b] The morality of human acts depends on:
- the object chosen;
- the end in view or the intention;
- the circumstances of the action.


-Do you think you have any obligation to vote, to participate in the political community?
-Seemingly it seems you have an obligation to participate.
-How will you participate, and what do you hope to accomplish by your action or inaction?
-What is the reasonably anticipated and likely outcome of your action or inaction?

I think not voting as a protest is a [i]cop out[/i].
I don't think that casting a vote for a 3rd option President sends any kind of "message". Voting is easy, reflects a limited population, and is a very dilluted message because your vote, or non-vote can be interpreted into a million reasons why by political analysts. Is it because you aren't enthused about the close second runner up? Did you because you don't like the political system, or just one specific policy of the 3rd Canidate, such as their economic policy, or their foreign policy, or because of their pro-life policy? Who's to know?

There are public opinion polls done regularly on specific issues. In the political arena, leading Canidates are running on a broad range of policy's in their attempt to be appealing to the maximum amount of voters, balancing between alienating the fewest and differentiating themselves from the next leading Candidate.

Making known that you are against abortion is not communicated well in the Presidential Election becasue of the broad range of issues that are in play. Participation in Anti-Abortion rallys, where politicians see people willing and able to walk the street makes them see it as an issue people are committed too. Supporting community programs that provide assistance to un-wed mothers, orphanages, foster care, etc., shows that Right-to-Life issues are important enough to contribute time, energy, and money.

The Federal Government is not the Do-All and End-All solution to these issues. The problem of Abortion is not going to be solved if a law preventing it was enacted this afternoon. The problem of Abortion isn't that it's legal, it's because people see it as the only solution to a difficulty. Real assistance with money, support, a shoulder, a sympathetic ear, will never be provided by a Government Agency. The Righteous People who shun the un-wed mother in the Church Community, who gossips about the pregnant teen, who kicks their daughter out of the house because she's having sex, who views a bastard as a different class of person are the fundamental reasons why people turn to abortion. What flooping law fixes that?

Edited October 25, 2012 by Anomaly

[Basilisa Marie]

Personally, I believe that if you want to benefit from society and the government, you also have civic duties. Police officers, Firemen, Trash collection, public schools, city water...if you benefit from any of these services, you have an obligation to vote. Or move out to the country, buy a gun, drill a well, plant a garden, and compost your garbage. Then you might have a better argument for not voting. But at the same time, people died so you can vote. I have strong opinions about that. If you don't like any major candidate, vote third party. Or write someone in.

[Chiquitunga]

Romney = defund Planned Parenthood
Obama = huge supporter PP

we all know this already, but just want to say it again. I'm casting my vote to save lives and [i][b]bring Planned Barrenhood down!!![/b][/i]

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1351185795' post='2497573']
Romney = defund Planned Parenthood
Obama = huge supporter PP

we all know this already, but just want to say it again. I'm casting my vote to save lives and [i][b]bring Planned Barrenhood down!!![/b][/i]
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Very recently, Romeny actually said that he's not going to defund Planned Parenthood, or actively do anything to promote the pro-life cause.

[eagle_eye222001]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1351171339' post='2497508']
lol I kind of blame myself, the phorum seemed a bit more politically peaceful until I had the audacity to step in and tell everyone not to vote for Romney
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Of course there where like-minded that went to war as well on their own accord.

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1351186843' post='2497579']

Very recently, Romeny actually said that he's not going to defund Planned Parenthood, or actively do anything to promote the pro-life cause.
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WHOA! No need for Romney to prove Al, myself, and others right before the election........he could at least wait until he wins.....and THEN back down from the so called "pro-life" position he claims.

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='eagle_eye222001' timestamp='1351188756' post='2497592']
Of course there where like-minded that went to war as well on their own accord.



WHOA! No need for Romney to prove Al, myself, and others right before the election........he could at least wait until he wins.....and THEN back down from the so called "pro-life" position he claims.
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I respect Romney in that he has some cojones. Usually politicians back down on their promises [i]after [/i]they are elected, but Romney is already starting on that process.

[eagle_eye222001]

Edit:

A successful double post that spanned minutes.

Edited October 25, 2012 by eagle_eye222001

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1351186843' post='2497579']
Very recently, Romeny actually said that he's not going to defund Planned Parenthood, or actively do anything to promote the pro-life cause.
[/quote]Have you considerred that Romney is backing away from that position (verbally) because the majority of women who are voting actually find defunding of Planned Parenthood as a negative and that is why Obama has been leading with women voters? Mitt has gained in the percentage of women who would vote for him versus Barak. It's politics on the national scale. It's how it is done. Hard and strict to build your base, softer and vaguer to broaden the appeal to the un-decided. It's a very close race.

So if there was popular support via a Congressman or Senator to begin a push to defund PP next year, would it have more chance of being vetoed by Barak or Mitt, given the positions of the R & D parties and the majority of the voting base. It takes the Congress to introduce a Bill, pass it, and then send to the President for Signature or Veto. Which Party members have vetoed and emascualted the Partial Birth Abortion Ban over the last few decades? It's a PRESIDENT, not a Dictator.

Edited October 25, 2012 by Anomaly

[Winchester]

Not voting is the same as punching the Pope in the kidneys.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1351189326' post='2497594']

I respect Romney in that he has some cojones. Usually politicians back down on their promises [i]after [/i]they are elected, but Romney is already starting on that process.
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That was surprisingly witty. Good job.

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1351191444' post='2497625']
That was surprisingly witty. Good job.
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Thank you. I owe it to very hard training.

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1351191051' post='2497619']
Have you considerred that Romney is backing away from that position (verbally) because the majority of women who are voting actually find defunding of Planned Parenthood as a negative and that is why Obama has been leading with women voters? Mitt has gained in the percentage of women who would vote for him versus Barak. It's politics on the national scale. It's how it is done. Hard and strict to build your base, softer and vaguer to broaden the appeal to the un-decided. It's a very close race.

So if there was popular support via a Congressman or Senator to begin a push to defund PP next year, would it have more chance of being vetoed by Barak or Mitt, given the positions of the R & D parties and the majority of the voting base. It takes the Congress to introduce a Bill, pass it, and then send to the President for Signature or Veto. Which Party members have vetoed and emascualted the Partial Birth Abortion Ban over the last few decades? It's a PRESIDENT, not a Dictator.
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Yup, I've totally considered that. I'm voting third party. I was just pointing it out for everyone else's benefit.

[cmotherofpirl]

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[b][u]1. Acts of hostility toward people of Biblical faith:[/u][/b][/size][/font][/color][list]
[*]April 2008 – Obama speaks disrespectfully of Christians, saying they “cling to guns or religion” and have an “antipathy to people who aren't like them.” [url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN1"][sup][size="-4"]1[/size][/sup]
[*]February 2009 – Obama announces plans to revoke conscience protection for health workers who refuse to participate in medical activities that go against their beliefs, and fully implements the plan in February 2011. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN2"][sup][size="-4"]2[/size][/sup]
[*]April 2009 – When speaking at Georgetown University, Obama orders that a monogram symbolizing Jesus' name be covered when he is making his speech. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN3"][sup][size="-4"]3[/size][/sup]
[*]May 2009 – Obama declines to host services for the National Prayer Day (a day established by federal law) at the White House. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN4"][sup][size="-4"]4[/size][/sup]
[*]April 2009 – In a deliberate act of disrespect, Obama nominated three pro-abortion ambassadors to the Vatican; of course, the pro-life Vatican rejected all three. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN5"][sup][size="-4"]5[/size][/sup]
[*]October 19, 2010 – Obama begins deliberately omitting the phrase about “the Creator” when quoting the Declaration of Independence – an omission he has made on no less than seven occasions. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN6"][sup][size="-4"]6[/size][/sup]
[*]November 2010 – Obama misquotes the National Motto, saying it is “E pluribus unum” rather than “In God We Trust” as established by federal law. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN7"][sup][size="-4"]7[/size][/sup]
[*]January 2011 – After a federal law was passed to transfer a WWI Memorial in the Mojave Desert to private ownership, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the cross in the memorial could continue to stand, but the Obama administration refused to allow the land to be transferred as required by law, and refused to allow the cross to be re-erected as ordered by the Court. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN8"][sup][size="-4"]8[/size][/sup]
[*]February 2011 – Although he filled posts in the State Department, for more than two years Obama did not fill the post of religious freedom ambassador, an official that works against religious persecution across the world; he filled it only after heavy pressure from the public and from Congress. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN9"][sup][size="-4"]9[/size][/sup]
[*]April 2011 – For the first time in American history, Obama urges passage of a non-discrimination law that does not contain hiring protections for religious groups, forcing religious organizations to hire according to federal mandates without regard to the dictates of their own faith, thus eliminating conscience protection in hiring. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN10"][sup][size="-4"]10[/size][/sup]
[*]August 2011 – The Obama administration releases its new health care rules that override religious conscience protections for medical workers in the areas of abortion and contraception. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN11"][sup][size="-4"]11[/size][/sup]
[*]November 2011 – Obama opposes inclusion of President Franklin Roosevelt’s famous D-Day Prayer in the WWII Memorial. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN12"][sup][size="-4"]12[/size][/sup]
[*]November 2011 – Unlike previous presidents, Obama studiously avoids any religious references in his Thanksgiving speech. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN13"][sup][size="-4"]13[/size][/sup]
[*]December 2011 – The Obama administration denigrates other countries' religious beliefs as an obstacle to radical homosexual rights.[/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN14"][sup][size="-4"]14[/size][/sup]
[*]January 2012 – The Obama administration argues that the First Amendment provides no protection for churches and synagogues in hiring their pastors and rabbis. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN15"][sup][size="-4"]15[/size][/sup]
[*]February 2012 – The Obama administration forgives student loans in exchange for public service, but announces it will no longer forgive student loans if the public service is related to religion. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN16"][sup][size="-4"]16[/size][/sup]
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[u][b]2. Acts of hostility from the Obama-led military toward people of Biblical faith:[/b][/u][/size][/font][/color][list]
[*]June 2011 – The Department of Veterans Affairs forbids references to God and Jesus during burial ceremonies at Houston National Cemetery. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN17"][sup][size="-4"]17[/size][/sup]
[*]August 2011 – The Air Force stops teaching the Just War theory to officers in California because the course is taught by chaplains and is based on a philosophy introduced by St. Augustine in the third century AD – a theory long taught by civilized nations across the world (except America). [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN18"][sup][size="-4"]18[/size][/sup]
[*]September 2011 – Air Force Chief of Staff prohibits commanders from notifying airmen of programs and services available to them from chaplains. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN19"][sup][size="-4"]19[/size][/sup]
[*]September 2011 – The Army issues guidelines for Walter Reed Medical Center stipulating that “No religious items (i.e. Bibles, reading materials and/or facts) are allowed to be given away or used during a visit.” [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN20"][sup][size="-4"]20[/size][/sup]
[*]November 2011 – The Air Force Academy rescinds support for Operation Christmas Child, a program to send holiday gifts to impoverished children across the world, because the program is run by a Christian charity. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN21"][sup][size="-4"]21[/size][/sup]
[*]November 2011 – The Air Force Academy pays $80,000 to add a Stonehenge-like worship center for pagans, druids, witches and Wiccans. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN22"][sup][size="-4"]22[/size][/sup]
[*]February 2012 – The U. S. Military Academy at West Point disinvites three star Army general and decorated war hero Lieutenant General William G. (“Jerry”) Boykin (retired) from speaking at an event because he is an outspoken Christian. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN23"][sup][size="-4"]23[/size][/sup]
[*]February 2012 – The Air Force removes “God” from the patch of Rapid Capabilities Office (the word on the patch was in Latin: Dei). [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN24"][sup][size="-4"]24[/size][/sup]
[*]February 2012 – The Army orders Catholic chaplains not to read a letter to parishioners that their archbishop asked them to read. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN25"][sup][size="-4"]25[/size][/sup]
[*]April 2012 – A checklist for Air Force Inns will no longer include ensuring that a Bible is available in rooms for those who want to use them.[/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN26"][sup][size="-4"]26[/size][/sup]
[*]May 2012 - The Obama administration opposes legislation to protect the rights of conscience for military chaplains who do not wish to perform same-sex marriages in violation of their strongly-held religious beliefs.[/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN27"][sup][size="-4"]27[/size][/sup]
[*]June 2012 - Bibles for the American military have been printed in every conflict since the American Revolution, but the Obama Administration revokes the long-standing U. S. policy of allowing military service emblems to be placed on those military Bibles.[/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN28"][sup][size="-4"]28[/size][/sup]
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[b][u]3. Acts of hostility toward Biblical values:[/u][/b][/size][/font][/color][list]
[*]January 2009 – Obama lifts restrictions on U.S. government funding for groups that provide abortion services or counseling abroad, forcing taxpayers to fund pro-abortion groups that either promote or perform abortions in other nations. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN29"][sup][size="-4"]29[/size][/sup]
[*]January 2009 – President Obama’s nominee for deputy secretary of state asserts that American taxpayers are required to pay for abortions and that limits on abortion funding are unconstitutional. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN30"][sup][size="-4"]30[/size][/sup]
[*]March 2009 – The Obama administration shut out pro-life groups from attending a White House-sponsored health care summit. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN31"][sup][size="-4"]31[/size][/sup]
[*]March 2009 – Obama orders taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN32"][sup][size="-4"]32[/size][/sup]
[*]March 2009 – Obama gave $50 million for the UNFPA, the UN population agency that promotes abortion and works closely with Chinese population control officials who use forced abortions and involuntary sterilizations. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN33"][sup][size="-4"]33[/size][/sup]
[*]May 2009 – The White House budget eliminates all funding for abstinence-only education and replaces it with “comprehensive” sexual education, repeatedly proven to increase teen pregnancies and abortions. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN34"][sup][size="-4"]34[/size][/sup] He continues the deletion in subsequent budgets. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN35"][sup][size="-4"]35[/size][/sup]
[*]May 2009 – Obama officials assemble a terrorism dictionary calling pro-life advocates violent and charging that they use racism in their “criminal” activities. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN36"][sup][size="-4"]36[/size][/sup]
[*]July 2009 – The Obama administration illegally extends federal benefits to same-sex partners of Foreign Service and Executive Branch employees, in direction violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act.[/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN37"][sup][size="-4"]37[/size][/sup]
[*]September 16, 2009 – The Obama administration appoints as EEOC Commissioner Chai Feldblum, who asserts that society should “not tolerate” any “private beliefs,” including religious beliefs, if they may negatively affect homosexual “equality.” [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN38"][sup][size="-4"]38[/size][/sup]
[*]July 2010 – The Obama administration uses federal funds in violation of federal law to get Kenya to change its constitution to include abortion. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN39"][sup][size="-4"]39[/size][/sup]
[*]August 2010 – The Obama administration Cuts funding for 176 abstinence education programs. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN40"][sup][size="-4"]40[/size][/sup]
[*]September 2010 – The Obama administration tells researchers to ignore a judge’s decision striking down federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN41"][sup][size="-4"]41[/size][/sup]
[*]February 2011 – Obama directs the Justice Department to stop defending the federal Defense of Marriage Act. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN42"][sup][size="-4"]42[/size][/sup]
[*]March 2011 – The Obama administration refuses to investigate videos showing Planned Parenthood helping alleged sex traffickers get abortions for victimized underage girls. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN43"][sup][size="-4"]43[/size][/sup]
[*]July 2011 – Obama allows homosexuals to serve openly in the military, reversing a policy originally instituted by George Washington in March 1778. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN44"][sup][size="-4"]44[/size][/sup]
[*]September 2011 – The Pentagon directs that military chaplains may perform same-sex marriages at military facilities in violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN45"][sup][size="-4"]45[/size][/sup]
[*]October 2011 – The Obama administration eliminates federal grants to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops for their extensive programs that aid victims of human trafficking because the Catholic Church is anti-abortion. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN46"][sup][size="-4"]46[/size][/sup]
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[b][u]4. Acts of preferentialism for Islam:[/u][/b][/size][/font][/color][list]
[*]May 2009 – While Obama does not host any National Day of Prayer event at the White House, he does host White House Iftar dinners in honor of Ramadan. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN47"][sup][size="-4"]47[/size][/sup]
[*]April 2010 – Christian leader Franklin Graham is disinvited from the Pentagon’s National Day of Prayer Event because of complaints from the Muslim community. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN48"][sup][size="-4"]48[/size][/sup]
[*]April 2010 – The Obama administration requires rewriting of government documents and a change in administration vocabulary to remove terms that are deemed offensive to Muslims, including jihad, jihadists, terrorists, radical Islamic, etc. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN49"][sup][size="-4"]49[/size][/sup]
[*]August 2010 – Obama speaks with great praise of Islam and condescendingly of Christianity. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN50"][sup][size="-4"]50[/size][/sup]
[*]August 2010 – Obama went to great lengths to speak out on multiple occasions on behalf of building an Islamic mosque at Ground Zero, while at the same time he was silent about a Christian church being denied permission to rebuild at that location. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN51"][sup][size="-4"]51[/size][/sup]
[*]2010 – While every White House traditionally issues hundreds of official proclamations and statements on numerous occasions, this White House avoids traditional Biblical holidays and events but regularly recognizes major Muslim holidays, as evidenced by its 2010 statements on Ramadan, Eid-ul-Fitr, Hajj, and Eid-ul-Adha. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN52"][sup][size="-4"]52[/size][/sup]
[*]October 2011 – Obama’s Muslim advisers block Middle Eastern Christians’ access to the White House. [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN53"][sup][size="-4"]53[/size][/sup]
[*]February 2012 – The Obama administration makes effulgent apologies for Korans being burned by the U. S. military, [/url][url="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN54"][sup][size="-4"]54[/size][/sup] but when Bibles were burned by the military, numerous reasons were offered why it was the right thing to do. [/url][sup][size="-4"]<a href="http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938#FN55" style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); ">5[/size][/sup]
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[*][size=4]But yeah lets vote 3rd party because Obama needs 4 more years to attack Christians....[/size]
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[Chiquitunga]

[i][b]CRAZY DOPE POST Cmom! [/b][/i]NObama, please!!!