Tab'le Du'bah-rye

[BarbTherese]

[quote name='Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye' timestamp='1351316248' post='2498418']
Honestly i find it very difficult to enter into the inner sanctum of the world of phatmass.com. Maybe i'm not meant to. But even so i'm just happy it exists, hopefully one day there will be many more christian blog and chat sites that are popular amongst baptised believers. Maybe there are, i only know of ecatholic2000 and yahoo catholic chat. I don't yahoo anymore, and one of the mods of ecatholic2000 doesn't seem to like me and boots me everytime,which i complained about to the administration but got no response, thats one of there rules though that they can boot anyone without happening to divuldge reasons.
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Must admit, I got a REAL shock when I read the opening post to this thread and its' author and was in the forum looking for something else. So I searched for forum rules. I dont understand, I confess. There doesn't seem to be any rules - but then I find it difficult navigating my way round Phatmass at times. Because I can't find any rules does'nt say much at all really, if anything. Fair enough if one get's booted by leadership without reasons. "All authority comes from God" (St Paul) and c'est la vie...........St Paul is good enough for me.
I dont Yahoo, chat, Instant Message - no Facebook nor twitter, no social network sites at all. All I ever do is try to keep my email inbox down, nowadays try and figure out Outlook as well and a very new addition - answer what I should, read what I feel I should - and wander round Phatmass and Catholic Answers now and then and research, research and more research re Catholic assorted matters.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1351317022' post='2498425']
I don't know you well but I've always liked you. Your heart seems to be in the right place.
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I feel like i'm being tested often here USAirwaysIHS. Which is ok and doesn't really effect me much, but is not nescisarily acceptable christian behaviour in my books. Holy Scripture says a mans heart is tested by the LORD.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

[quote name='BarbaraTherese' timestamp='1351317153' post='2498427']
Must admit, I got a REAL shock when I read the opening post to this thread and its' author and was in the forum looking for something else. So I searched for forum rules. I dont understand, I confess. There doesn't seem to be any rules - but then I find it difficult navigating my way round Phatmass at times. Because I can't find any rules does'nt say much at all really, if anything. Fair enough if one get's booted by leadership without reasons. "All authority comes from God" (St Paul) and c'est la vie...........St Paul is good enough for me.
I dont Yahoo, chat, Instant Message - no Facebook nor twitter, no social network sites at all. All I ever do is try to keep my email inbox down, nowadays try and figure out Outlook as well and a very new addition - answer what I should, read what I feel I should - and wander round Phatmass and Catholic Answers now and then and research, research and more research re Catholic assorted matters.
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I don't facebook much anymore either,i just prop the music i like on youtube on facebook,but i am considering not doing that even. Facebook is pro psychics,mediums and quijah and also it is pro one night stands( friends with benefits.)

[BarbTherese]

[quote name='Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye' timestamp='1351316803' post='2498421']
I think it is difficult to assertain friendships on the internet, i'm not fluent in internet. And i have no problem with dUSt, i don't know the guy so have no real opinion, same with everyone else here, very few have ever tried to get to know me in pm. Though that doesn't mean i'm not going to give my point of view as to what is right and what is wrong.
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I dont like this "behind the scenes in private" PM type facility personally - although I always answer PM's and am very happy to do so. I rarely initiate them, most rarely. I was happy when those 'demote' points were eliminated and I hope that the props have gone too. I had a nasty experience once with PM's in that an exchange was made public (not on Phatmass) and to my mind private messages are indeed private and confidential to the exchangers of PM's. All may not feel this way of course. I am only one person in the Phatmass community and it is the common good that need apply- to my mind.
And possible not round Phatmass for much longer c'est la vie. Man proposes, God disposes! and happy to have it so for sure. We, arrogant creatures we can be, can only think we have things in our total and sole control. And thoughts in we fallible and weak, Loved to Distraction creatures, are not necessarily reality at all - and I can certainly speak for myself, and perhaps only myself, coming from some experience - in fact, very much experience.

Thanks Tab for the info!

[BarbTherese]

[quote name='Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye' timestamp='1351317817' post='2498432']
I don't facebook much anymore either,i just prop the music i like on youtube on facebook,but i am considering not doing that even. Facebook is pro psychics,mediums and quijah and also it is pro one night stands( friends with benefits.)
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I am a classical music gal nowadays. Gave up Springstein, Dylan, Diamond, The Doors, The Eagles - and a few others many years ago now. Grew out of it all I think. I learnt classical piano for nine years theory and practical. Strangely, I never liked The Beatles, although thought I would keep my eye on this John guy. Paul struck me as all treacle and honey - overly sweet. My first rock concert featured Crash Craddock singing "Bigger than Texas" - when everyone started screaming around me I thought something was terribly amiss at first.

Edited October 27, 2012 by BarbaraTherese

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

i have to go to holy mass now, i'm going to try and get in the double, saturday night vigil and sunday mass. I may be around when i get back though. God bless you Barbara Therese.

Onward christian souls.
JESUS iz LORD,

[BarbTherese]

[quote name='Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye' timestamp='1351318352' post='2498439']
i have to go to holy mass now, i'm going to try and get in the double, saturday night vigil and sunday mass. I may be around when i get back though. God bless you Barbara Therese.

Onward christian souls.
JESUS iz LORD,
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Thank you very much for the blessing, Tab. And may The Lord continue to richly bless you also. Please pray for me and all, Tab, as I am entirely confident that you do - and I will be remembering you and all in my prayers.

I usually go to Vigil Saturday night too. This weekend it will be tomorrow morning. I take in ironing on some days and forgot to give one of my customers her folded ironing, only gave her that on hangers, and she could call tonight to pick it up. Mass tomorrow morning will be early enough so that if she calls tomorrow morning instead of tonght, I will be home by the time she arrives.
Useless info fer you Tab..............but there you are..........I'm full of it! In the long ago a priest once said to me "You are a library of completely useless information. Now then, do you want to see me again"
"Yes, Father, I DO want to see you again"
Man oh man, that humble and holy man was to turn me inside out and upside down and round and round. I loved him as one of the holiest, wisest and most learned of priests, who refused to suffer fools gladly[url="http://www.myemoticons.com/emoticons/moods/propeller.asp"][img]http://www.myemoticons.com/emoticons/images/msn/moods/propeller.gif[/img][/url] He not only stood beside me pre onset of Bipolar, but post onset as well and all through a very serious psychotic illness at times including all the socially distasteful matters that can accomany the illness. He never flinched one little bit nor even looked remotely like doing so - yet he remained his true self at all times, always. He remained a spiritual father, a confessor, a priest and a rich human being. A friend. How could one not love such a priest and pray for many more of his ilk and I believe totally they will be as many are now. Father is in Heaven now I am very confident, but his words to me often come back to me. Before he died "Go through your life, Girl, and merrily cast your seeds - and dont you hang around just to see what happens, willya?"
"No Father"

Edited October 27, 2012 by BarbaraTherese

[Egidio]

I am very happy to discover a couple more aussies here .

I haven't been here long Tab, but I am sure that you are well loved by all. It seems to me that many here see you as a little brother, not always easy to understand, but loved never the less, and maybe even loved more because of your unique outlook on things, and your unique way of expressing yourself.

Remember that God give special crosses to those who hold a special place in His Heart. . .unite yourself sufferings to the agonies of our Lord, and you might just become a great SAINT!!!

be sure of my prayers.

[color=#000080][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]AVE MARIA!![/font][/size][/color]

[BarbTherese]

............oh and keep on keeping on, Tab! .......... someone commented somewhere about goats and sheep and we can all be that and in the one breathe as it were........ we are all saints somewhere or other to some degree or other as we are all sinners somewhere or other to some degree or other................gosh! ............... preaching to the converted yet again!
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[BarbTherese]

[quote name='Egidio' timestamp='1351320349' post='2498449']
I am very happy to discover a couple more aussies here .

I haven't been here long Tab, but I am sure that you are well loved by all. It seems to me that many here see you as a little brother, not always easy to understand, but loved never the less, and maybe even loved more because of your unique outlook on things, and your unique way of expressing yourself.

Remember that God give special crosses to those who hold a special place in His Heart. . .unite yourself sufferings to the agonies of our Lord, and you might just become a great SAINT!!!

be sure of my prayers.

[color=#000080][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]AVE MARIA!![/font][/size][/color]
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Ave Maria!! .............Alleluia Amen!!.......................
And now I go off on a writer's (or Bipolar or both) tangent:

I was writing something or other today about vocations and something struck me for the first time. Our Lady had three vocations in her lifetime, virginity, wife and mother, widow. These three states in life are today recognized by The Church as distinctive states in life and potential calls and vocations. And in the footsteps of Mary - and her unique and outstanding discipleship of her Son. Mary, the best of of all disciples and model, guardian and guide, for all discipleship of Jesus! The first thing that really hit home to me about the discipleship of Our Lady, was that she never said much at all during her life on earth that we have recorded and available to us, that is. The fact that we do not, says a whole library. Glug, double glug. I always admire those posters who hardly ever post, but when they do, it is well worth reading.

We have the Order of Virgins for those consecrated to virginity. The Sacrament of Marriage for mothers and wives. The Order of Widows or some similar term was recognized in the early Church and there is a rather strong movement in The Church apparently to reinstate widowhood as a form of consecrated lfie.
But then I was reading earlier the final statement of the Synod of Bishops on the New Evangelization and their address to the laity. Sadly those who are suffering forms of illness are recognized in this statement only as objects of the charity of others. Not as having a very real contribution uniquely their own to The Church. Pre V2, we used to call it "The Apostolate of The Sick". It is very sad indeed that this unique vocation or call to a particualr apostolate and that of suffering is no longer strongly recognized within the institutional church for those who may have some serious long term, even lifelong, illness or disease...........people so often excluded most everywhere in the institutional church. It is not a chosen penitential type life, it is a penitential type life embraced through the Permissive Will of God (another subject). It is in its ideal form a humble obedience in suffering that is apparently not curable outside of a miracle - and they can and do happen. Praise God! Although the address by Cardinal Barragan, President of the Pontifical Council for Health Pastoral Care, delivered this address on mental illness in Adelaide in 2006 during mental health week I think it was, makes some very powerful very inclusive theological statements (that can also be applied to suffering per se, though not strictly all embracing statements to all types of suffering per se):


[b]... [url="http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=6824"]http://www.catholicc...cfm?recnum=6824[/url] .....exerpt....".......If we approach the argument from this point of view, whereby the mentally ill patient does not have the knowledge or the faculty of full consent required to commit a mortal sin, his is not a deformed image of God, since that image can only be deformed by sin. Certainly, it is the suffering image of God, but not a deformed image. He is a reflection of the mystery of the victorious Cross of the Lord. Inspired by the image of the Suffering Servant of Yahweh (Isaiah 53, 1-7) we are drawn to a conscious act of faith in the suffering Christ."[/b]

Also there is absolutely no mention of those who embrace the celibate lay state for the sake of The Kingdom - by the Synod quoted above and in their final address to the laity. Of course, me got me nose wacked outa joint becuase I am in their ranks. But from what I have read here and there largely on Catholilc Discussion sites, the numbers called and embracing this vocation are far more than moi, far more. And seemingly, seeemingly, to be gaining confidence in speaking up about their call and vocation to the celibate lay state "for the sake of The Kingdom" as Jesus termed it, meaning for the sake of The Gospel and Him. We do get a mention, rather strangely I thought, in Vita Consecrata - Pope John Paul II and a potential saint. When he is canonized, and I think he will be, his writings will be examined as intrinsic to the process of investigation, and stated to be free from doctrinal error - if The Church finds his writings thus free. Insofar as I understand.

In some ways today, I feel The Church is 'closing ranks' and in the doing, I am hoping and praying She will not be excluding where exclusion is unwarranted. This would be the pendulum swinging far to the right and an over reaction to my mind - a reaction to the events post V2,when it probably swung too far to the left. In some ways, the final statement was very happily inclusive, while at the same time excluding. My opinion. I was happy and also unhappy with the final statement to the laity from the Synod of Bishops.
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[url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_25031996_vita-consecrata_en.html"]http://www.vatican.v...secrata_en.html[/url]
"Vita Consecrata" Pope John Paul II (on the consecrated life)

What follows is excerpt only :
[u][b][i]Thanksgiving for the consecrated life[/i][/b][/u]

2. Because the role of consecrated life in the Church is so important, I decided to convene a Synod in order to examine in depth its significance and its future prospects, especially in view of the approaching new millennium. It was my wish that the Synodal Assembly should include, together with the Bishops, a considerable number of consecrated men and women, in order that they too might contribute to the common reflection.

We are all aware of the treasure which the gift of the consecrated life in the variety of its charisms and institutions represents for the ecclesial community. [color=#0000FF][i]Together let us thank God [/i]for the Religious Orders and Institutes devoted to contemplation or the works of the apostolate, for Societies of Apostolic Life, for Secular Institutes and for other groups of consecrated persons, [/color][u][b][color=#0000FF]as well as for all those individuals who, in their inmost hearts, dedicate themselves to God by a special consecration.[/color][/b][/u]

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For those who feel called to make private vows, with the agreement of the celebrant, the vows can be made 'publicly' during Mass. These vows however are not public vows in Canon Law, rather they remain private vows canonically. Nor in general terms is the celibate lay person called to this state by vocation considered to be formally in "consecrated life". There is no necessity whatsoever to make the vows during Mass.
To my mind only, private vows to the evangelical counsels is a very hidden life intrinsic to the way of life. It is a mark or charism, if you like, of the vocation, the call to a particular way of life or lifestyle. One is, as it were, without publicly stating that one is. I am out the closet.
To my mind, no person should consider private vows to the evangelical counsels without sound spiritual direction and on an ongoing basis for the life of the vows. This latter, however, is not strictly necessary theologically, rather it is most wise and recommended in prudence.

Oh dear..........off topic.......again - and hijacking to boot.....such as the topic was, or is, whatever....... just me being me.......or the Holy Spirit leading as He may wherever He May.........whatever........if there are no rules in this forum, then perhaps no rules against thread hijacking by going completely off topic either. Dunno!
Administrator and Moderators have that authority to take whatever action they deem necessary and no problems whatsoever from me. "All authority comes from God". I am content that I wrote it and posted.......even if the post [and moi) disappears. God has reasons that can completely defeat all our so termed : logic and understanding. And God's Will always stands, either His Direct or His Permissive Will and a whole other subject, but tonight I am determined to hit the sack on time.
Nobody ever needs my permission most ever, I know. But there you go, you got it anyway.

The Final Address was to "The People of God" and not, thus, only to the laity. My mistake and apologies. The full text can be found here - [url="http://en.radiovaticana.va/articolo.asp?c=633215"]http://en.radiovaticana.va/articolo.asp?c=633215[/url]


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[BarbTherese]

Something else just struck me about Our Lady too. She was poor, chaste and fully obedient to God's Will, thus lived out the consecrated life per se (canon law) as we know it today ........... and lived out by our nuns and religious as well as our religious priests and brothers and in a public sort of way, a public witness to The Church and to all mankind and of many aspects indeed of Jesus and His Gospel in all the great variety of charisms of consecrated religious life.
And of course, Our Lady lived a quite hidden sort of life very largely insofar as her presence in The Gospel narrations are concerned. We dont know all that much about her earthly life, while what we do know does speak a whole library.
For any interested, "The Leaven" (O.Carm Ancient Observance) of Carmel are an official Catholic Insitute of Consecrated Life largely concentrated in the UK and Ireland I think, or were when I first came across them. They live in their own homes and wear secular clothing and one can retain as secret or private one's membership. : [url="http://www.carmelite.org/index.php?nuc=content&id=256"]http://www.carmelite...=content&id=256[/url]
When I first came across them they would accept distant membership e.g. Australia. They did want, however, at least one personal visit. Cost of plane fare, outside my budget. I dont know if all this still applies.

Wow! I see they have their very own impressive looking website now : [url="http://www.theleaven.org.uk/"]http://www.theleaven.org.uk/[/url] I will research the site for myself at some later point.

Edited October 27, 2012 by BarbaraTherese

[To Jesus Through Mary]

tl;dr- this thread has become very wordy.

But Table- glad to know a bit more about you and your one line zingers. The mystery is unfolding.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='BarbaraTherese' timestamp='1351313718' post='2498384']
Is dUSt male then
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dUSt-- please confirm or deny.

[dUSt]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1351344866' post='2498509']
dUSt-- please confirm or deny.
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I refuse to speculate.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I am enrolled in the scapular and miraculous medal. Talking on personal/communal vocations are sacramentals included as such ? And hey there dUSt., greetings in the name of the lord and saviour christ Jesus. Ask me more questions if you would like to, i will answer to the best of my ability, and if i have not even an inkling i will abstain from comment or say 'i don't know'. Another thing i think is that an answer of i don't know if one does not know is a positive affirmation. I believe that iq tests are faulty because you can not answer i don't know, and i don't know should be half a mark. lol.

Edited October 27, 2012 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye