kujo Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1351314319' post='2498394'] okay, well since your not mature enough to have a conversation without resorting to name calling, you can talk till your mouth bleeds. if your unable to be mature enough to have a real conversation then why should i waste my time talking to you? i have no desire to get into a name calling fest and just waste time with you when i could be something, anything more productive. cheers. [/quote] Did I call you a name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havok579257 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1351314478' post='2498396'] Did I call you a name? [/quote] my bad, i should have used the word insults. such as these Should I go on, or are you already kissing your Ann Coulter lifesized cutout before retiring to your Ayn Rand bedsheets? obviously you must have been speaking the truth right? i mean everyone on these forums knows me as ayn rand and ann coulters #1 fan. almost every single post of mine is about them. right? cause if your not speaking fact, enlighten me what was the purpose of this statement you made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1351314304' post='2498393'] And Romney has come out AGAINST these things, right? Or will he just add more heads to the leviathans? [/quote] Zero evidence that he would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='jaime' timestamp='1351314670' post='2498402'] Zero evidence that he would [/quote] Also zero evidence that he wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1351314752' post='2498404'] Also zero evidence that he wouldn't. [/quote] That's the dumbest logic. You want to base your vote on civil and human rights, yet you argue that Obama is a better candidate for these things(which he's proven he's not). What is that even based on??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='jaime' timestamp='1351315505' post='2498412'] That's the dumbest logic. You want to base your vote on civil and human rights, yet you argue that Obama is a better candidate for these things(which he's proven he's not). What is that even based on??? [/quote] When did I say that Obama was better? I've been saying that they espouse very similar political and philosophical positions once you wade through the densely partisan rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1351314651' post='2498401'] my bad, i should have used the word insults. such as these Should I go on, or are you already kissing your Ann Coulter lifesized cutout before retiring to your Ayn Rand bedsheets? obviously you must have been speaking the truth right? i mean everyone on these forums knows me as ayn rand and ann coulters #1 fan. almost every single post of mine is about them. right? cause if your not speaking fact, enlighten me what was the purpose of this statement you made? [/quote] Would "I do it for the lulz" be a sufficient statement of purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1351317749' post='2498431'] Would "I do it for the lulz" be a sufficient statement of purpose? [/quote] Saying things because they are funny without taking into account the consequences of hurting the other person's feelings accomplishes nothing and really isn't funny. Or this is what the women on Phatmass have forced me to believe through extreme indoctrination programs with some minor use of Indian ant torture and electric shock. Did I do good, Lil' Red? Do I get to eat today? In all seriousness, I worry what has happened to me. When writing this I couldn't help but think "I hope nobody takes this seriously and gets angry at me." I've become too skittish... Edited October 27, 2012 by FuturePriest387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havok579257 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1351317749' post='2498431'] Would "I do it for the lulz" be a sufficient statement of purpose? [/quote] absolutely its sufficient. its shows me what maturity level i am dealing with. so... yeah. i think i will not waste my time in this debate arguing with someone who shows the inability for have a maturity level above high school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1351318154' post='2498435'] In all seriousness, I worry what has happened to me. When writing this I couldn't help but think "I hope nobody takes this seriously and gets angry at me." I've become too skittish... [/quote] In all honesty, this is not entirely unwarranted. The flame wars I have seen in the past... Sometimes this site can be shockingly vicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1351318224' post='2498437'] absolutely its sufficient. its shows me what maturity level i am dealing with. so... yeah. i think i will not waste my time in this debate arguing with someone who shows the inability for have a maturity level above high school. [/quote] I'm sorry, it's really difficult for me to take your admonition seriously when you display roughly same grammar and syntactical quality of a pet iguana. A sense of humor isn't a sign of immaturity, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1351319139' post='2498443'] In all honesty, this is not entirely unwarranted. The flame wars I have seen in the past... Sometimes this site can be shockingly vicious. [/quote] *bites Nihil's leg* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 how many weight watcher points is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted October 27, 2012 Author Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) [quote name='jaime' timestamp='1351314159' post='2498390'] If you think that abortion doesn't affect your daily life, you are asleep at the wheel. The lack of respect for human life is a cancer that spreads into every aspect of your life. It's so much that most don't even realize it. But let's go with human and constitutional rights. Obama is the worst offender we've ever had. He's added to the Patriot act. Now aside from the fact that a person can be searched without a warrant, you can be held without bail indefinitely if suspected of terrorist activities. That's anybody Kujo. Not just non US citizens. That's Obama. [/quote] [quote name='jaime' timestamp='1351314670' post='2498402'] Zero evidence that he would [/quote] Actually there's plenty of evidence that he will do the exact same thing on these things. Romney has been asked about the NDAA. Guess what, he supports it. Romney is JUST AS BAD on civil liberties as Obama; it's sort of like a reverse of the life issues. Obama has better rhetoric in favor of civil liberties than Romney has, but his record and his actions prove he is bad on civil liberties. Romney has worse rhetoric on civil liberties and he's just as bad on civil liberties (if not worse). Romney has better rhetoric in pro-life matters, but his RECORD and ACTIONS and STATEMENTS during the general election campaign prove he is bad on life issues. Obama has worse rhetoric on life issues and is just as bad on life issues as Romney is (if not worse). Obama's votes prior to being president about partial birth legislation are all prior to his presidency; while being president, he has not advanced such things at all. that is settled legislation and he has no intention of touching it with a ten foot pole. just like Romney has no intention of touching anything related to abortion with a ten foot pole once he is president. he even said as much--he doesn't foresee any abortion related legislation going on in his administration. He supports Obama care, the HHS mandate (though officially claims to be against it, in my original post on this thread the argument about him supporting contraception mandates has yet to be dealth with) and he is pro-choice (ditto to the last parenthesis). Those are the things Obama has done as a president that have been anti-life. And Romney's RECORD and the direction he has taken in the general election all show SUPPORT for those same things. Partial Birth abortion is NOT an issue in this election. Feel free to travel back in time to 2000 or 2004 and argue that we should vote for George W. Bush if you want to, but the partial birth abortion ban is settled legislation that NO ONE is plausibly trying to undo. [quote]i understand you don't like romney. fine but stop being delusional and saying/thinking that he is the exact same as obama and had romney been president these last four year everything would have been exactly the same when it comes to abortions, contraceptives, attacks on the catholic church and so on. don't support him fine, but let's be honest here. he's no where near as bad as obama. heck, there has not been a singles president in history as bad as obama when it comes to moral issues. thats a fact![/quote] On my original post I have listed out every reason I believe Romney to be the equivalent of Obama. This has still not been addressed. Romney absolutely goes along with contraception mandates for Catholic employers (both his record as governor and statements made on the campaign trail corroborate this; the statements he has made that are out of character with his decades-long positions are less trustworthy than the statements he makes which are consistent with his long term positions); Romney is the father of Obama-care and before it became politically expedient he specifically said it would be a good model for a national system, not just a state system (and Romney-care was just as bad on moral issues as Obama-care is)... please don't call me delusional. Deal with the facts I have called up to point out Romney's similarities with Obama if you think Obama would be worse than Romney; I personally just don't see it. Most of the stuff is hype, I want to see substantial difference on these issues not just rhetorical difference. Things like the gender-selective abortion ban don't fool me, they're distractions that de-rail the pro-life movement. Just like the entire Romney campaign is--a distraction to de-rail the pro-life movement. Edited October 27, 2012 by Aloysius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 How come NARAL sounds really scared of Romney? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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