Minneapolis Star Tribune Attacks Knights Of Columbus For Pro-family St

[Roamin Catholic]

[url="http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/174121361.html"]http://www.startribu.../174121361.html[/url]

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In 2010, the group created DVDs that carried an anti-gay marriage message from the Twin Cities archdiocese to 400,000 Catholic households -- a move that angered many Catholics more supportive of same-sex marriage.
Several longtime Catholics who oppose the marriage amendment said they were surprised and troubled by the Knights' involvement in the marriage issue. They said they only knew the group for its charity work, locally and abroad.
Now they are crushed to learn the group is at the forefront of the anti-gay marriage effort and that some of their contributions might have gone to the cause.
"I don't think it is at all clear to the congregations," said Greg Seivert, a lifelong Catholic from Mendota Heights. When he was growing up, Seivert said, the Knights "were a charitable group that did the work of charity and mercy. This strikes me as a very different role. I would be very leery of contributing in any sort of way with their involvement in this political brouhaha." [/quote]

This is just a part of the article. The comments on it are even worse. Just more proof of the media attack on our faith.

[arfink]

Yup, saw the article in the paper. Our Archbishop is also under very heavy fire.

[4588686]

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This is just a part of the article. The comments on it are even worse. Just more proof of the media attack on our faith.
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So you attack a minority group and attempt to use the force of the state to inhibit the rights of said group. A newspaper objects to this bullying. And you take from this that the bully in this situation is really somehow the victim. Interesting.

[Roamin Catholic]

Yea, the article and comments just make me sick. Funny that they claim Catholics are the ones spreading hate when all they do is attack us.

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[quote name='Roamin_Catholic' timestamp='1350354733' post='2493857']
Yea, the article and comments just make me sick. Funny that they claim Catholics are the ones spreading hate when all they do is attack us.
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Maybe it would help if you stopped trying to oppress people. For some reason that pattern of behavior tends to piss people off.

[arfink]

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Maybe it would help if you stopped trying to oppress people. For some reason that pattern of behavior tends to piss people off.
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LOL @ oppression. The marriage amendment will change nothing if it passes anyway, the supposed oppression that is being perpetrated here is a complete joke.

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[quote name='arfink' timestamp='1350358933' post='2493875']

LOL @ oppression. The marriage amendment will change nothing if it passes anyway, the supposed oppression that is being perpetrated here is a complete joke.
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It codifies the oppression that already exists and it is oppression when you arbitrary limit the rights of your fellow citizens because your religious faith (unsupported assertions) dictate that their lifestyle is inferior to yours.

[Roamin Catholic]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1350360394' post='2493886']


you arbitrary limit the rights of your fellow citizens because your religious faith (unsupported assertions) dictate that their lifestyle is inferior to yours.
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This

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The amendment makes no change in rights and benefits for gays and lesbians, nor does it limit the Legislature's ability to provide future benefits if those become needed.

But on the subject of rights, gays and lesbians have the right to live as they choose, but they do not have the right to redefine marriage for all of society.

Marriage is in the common good. The Marriage Protection Amendment will ensure that if special interest groups or activist politicians or judges want to redefine marriage, they will have to convince the people to do so. [/quote]

Please note that all it really does in the state of Minnesota is cause the legislature to take the issue to a statewide vote if they want to make marriage legal. Nothing wrong with that.

[Aloysius]

their rights are not being limited in any way, that comes from a false understanding of what rights are.

the state is selectively offering a particular state contract with attached benefits to one type of couple and not to another type of couple; while in some views that's certainly a discriminatory act by the state, they are not being limited from engaging in any kind of action. they can "get married" in whatever kind of ceremony they wish to and they can live together and do all the things married couples do, they just can't do it with a judge or get a "marriage license" from the state under this law. that really shouldn't matter so much to people; they should carry on with their lives as free people and engage in whatever contracts with each other they want to draw up. just because the state isn't offering you a particular recognition doesn't mean they're impinging upon your rights, that's a bit ludicrous actually.

God save me from the "right" to have the state regulate my personal relationships. If it weren't for canon law requiring it, I'd actually prefer to one day have a marriage off of the state books, to be honest, just get married in a Church and put it into the Church register so that we can know that a permanent union was made before God. State marriage licenses such as they are are just dissoluble temporary contracts anyway, so far removed from what I consider a marriage to be that I'm actually offended by the idea of getting one. The idea of fighting for one as if it is the state that would legitimate your relationship is crazy to me.

It's sort of like if everyone was perfectly free to drive cars, and there was no punishment for driving a car without a license or anything, but the state offered licenses to particular kinds of drivers and not to others, and then you fought vehemently for the right to get a driver's license. what's the point? sheesh. I'm no anarchist, but sometimes statist logic just boggles my mind.

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[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1350362078' post='2493888']
their rights are not being limited in any way, that comes from a false understanding of what rights are.[/QUOTE]

Equal protection under the law is the right in question. Lesbian and gay couples would have no 'right' to marriage if this right was not extended to heterosexual couples.

[Aloysius]

there is no lack of equal [i]protection [/i]under the law here.

a particular kind of licensing is being offered for particular types of couples. that doesn't create a right to have licenses for any other kind of couple.

the law is equally protecting everyone's rights just fine. if it only offered dog licenses to dog owners and refused to hand out cat licenses, are the rights of cat owners being infringed upon? not at all. maybe it'd make sense to stop offering dog licenses, sure, but the idea that they are somehow not therefore offering equal protection under the law to cat owners? doesn't fly.

[Roamin Catholic]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1350362364' post='2493889']
Equal protection under the law is the right in question. [/quote]

There are no rights that gay people would gain through marriage that they don't already have access to.

[4588686]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1350362586' post='2493891']
there is no lack of equal [i]protection [/i]under the law here.[/QUOTE]

Yes there is. Unless the state can demonstrate a reason of sufficient strength as to why some people's should be able to enter into specific arrangements for specific benefits and others can't.

[QUOTE]a particular kind of licensing is being offered for particular types of couples. that doesn't create a right to have licenses for any other kind of couple.[/QUOTE]

That's exactly what it does and that's exactly the point of the right.

[QUOTE]the law is equally protecting everyone's rights just fine. if it only offered dog licenses to dog owners and refused to hand out cat licenses, are the rights of cat owners being infringed upon? not at all. maybe it'd make sense to stop offering dog licenses, sure, but the idea that they are somehow not therefore offering equal protection under the law to cat owners? doesn't fly.
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By that logic Christians are not disenfranchised in Saudi Arabia. Everyone has an equal right to be a Whabbi Muslim.

[Groo the Wanderer]

hasan were you trying to say something? i see your posts but all they say is bwah bwah bwah bwah

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[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1350367547' post='2493903']
hasan were you trying to say something? i see your posts but all they say is bwah bwah bwah bwah
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Illiteracy is still a serious problem in much of the country.