jazzytakara Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Our society will condemn a woman for smoking, drinking, and doing drugs while pregnant for risk of harming the unborn baby. However, this same society will empower and congratulate a woman who chooses to kill an unborn baby. If society acknowledges that we must care for an unborn child, why then is it okay to murder that same life? It doesn't make much sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 sin makes you stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/4070/pearls2007030349094mn4.jpg With emphasis on the last line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 People just don't make any sense. I like your penguin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 It's about eugenics. You can't make perfect babies if you drink, and only perfect babies should be allowed to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 [quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1350226172' post='2493269'] It's about eugenics. You can't make perfect babies if you drink, and only perfect babies should be allowed to live. [/quote] I don't think that only perfect babies should be allowed to live. I have autistic cousins. But I do think that that if a mother is going to choose to continue with a pregnancy then she should take reasonable efforts to ensure that the child in question isn't unnecessarily plagued with physical and mental disabilities. I don't see what is incoherent or contradictory about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzytakara Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 But killing a baby is not only not offering the best quality of life for the baby, but it is taking the child's right to a life away. That's what seems off to me. To me having the right to be treated well in the womb should extend to being allowed to live, adoption is a viable option for many. Sure in matters or rape and incest the lines blur, but if the matter is about two people being irresponsible with their sex lives, then an innocent life shouldn't have to end as a result of such irresponsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southern california guy Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) I am not sure that humans are necessarily that compassionate. By killing the baby the person is creating "closure". Remember the rash of murder suicides that occurred after our economy went bad? When the husband would kill his wife, kill his kids, and then set his house on fire and kill himself? I think that in their minds they were creating "closure". They could kill themselves with peace of mind because they knew that they would not be abandoning their wives and kids. And maybe they were religious and believed that there would be an afterlife and that they would all go on to heaven??? By killing the baby they don't have to worry about having a child of theirs -- perhaps living with an adopted family -- that they might always feel a little responsible for. A child that they might owe "child support" to. A child who might want to get to know them later and might feel hurt and rejected and abandoned...... Remember many "Pro-choicer's" often argue "Are you going to take care of that child -- that you want to see born????" The Mormons make great use of the "rape" and "incest" argument when it comes to abortion. And there is a great deal of rape and incest in Utah and in the Mormon culture. I think that they rationalize that the rape and incest isn't as serious -- because the woman can get an abortion if she gets pregnant. I'm an idiot who actually wasted his time debating this point with some Mormons in Utah... They believe that abortions should be legal so that women can get abortions in these cases -- and they will even use the "rape" or "incest" argument to defend late term abortions. [color=#ff0000]"Should late term abortions be legal?"[/color] [color=#0000cd]"Yes -- if she was raped, or the victim of incest, or having the baby might affect her mental health"[/color] [color=#ff0000]"But what about the baby?"[/color] [color=#0000ff]"But what about the woman?"[/color] The "Pro-choicer's" view it in terms of the woman and try not to consider the baby. Their solution creates closure and ends responsibility. The "Pro-lifer's" take a tougher road when they consider the baby. Edited October 14, 2012 by southern california guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1350233138' post='2493297'] I don't think that only perfect babies should be allowed to live. I have autistic cousins. But I do think that that if a mother is going to choose to continue with a pregnancy then she should take [b]reasonable efforts[/b] to ensure that the child in question isn't unnecessarily plagued with physical and mental disabilities. I don't see what is incoherent or contradictory about that. [/quote] Hmm...Himmler, Goering, Goebbels, & Co thought Auschwitz was 'reasonable' too. Plagued. Interesting choice of words. You think your autistic cousins are a disease now? You think the disabled have a plague? Gee - you might wanna try telling these people that they should be miserable and want to die so they don't have to live with the plague of physical and mental disabilities: [img]http://www.london2012.com/mm/Photo/sport/General/01/42/52/50/1425250_M01.jpg[/img] [img]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2012/8/16/1345132501293/Paralympics-event-guide-008.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article8082508.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/Pg-7-paralympics1-pa.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02278/PISTORIUSREUTERS_2278710b.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 It seriously took you this long to conclude this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 [quote name='southern california guy' timestamp='1350243399' post='2493337'] Remember the rash of murder suicides that occurred after our economy went bad? When the husband would kill his wife, kill his kids, and then set his house on fire and kill himself? I think that in their minds they were creating "closure". They could kill themselves with peace of mind because they knew that they would not be abandoning their wives and kids. And maybe they were religious and believed that there would be an afterlife and that they would all go on to heaven??? [/quote] or maybe they were non-religious and therefore had no hope and nothing to live for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Abortion? Laura told me I have to allow it. That woman scares me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1350263096' post='2493469'] Abortion? Laura told me I have to allow it. That woman scares me. [/quote] Laura? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 You're too young to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southern california guy Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1350263096' post='2493469'] Abortion? Laura told me I have to allow it. That woman scares me. [/quote] It wasn't the "right time" to do anything prolife. [img]http://www.tampabay.com/multimedia/archive/00213/ed_rush0306_213081c.jpg[/img] [img]http://fun-gallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Bush-Funny-Face.jpg[/img] Edited October 15, 2012 by southern california guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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