Anomaly Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 [quote name='Era Might' timestamp='1350250492' post='2493376'] Maybe you are but I'm not. I don't buy into the idea that race / ethnicity / culture is politically irrelevant. Many white conservatives insist they're not racist, they're just opposed to President Obama's politics. And that may be true, they don't hate people merely based on skin color. But race is a political construction. To be "black" or "white" or "brown" is not merely a matter of pigment, but has a political history, and that political narrative is part of the dominant experience for those groups of people. It is in that sense that there is a racial dimension to the political hatred for President Obama. His skin and his politics are tied to a racial political history, and it is that political history that many blacks are attaching themselves to when they support Obama. It's no coincidence that President Obama is vilified as a dangerous socialist...that is part of the conservative political history in the 20th century, the fear they had when blacks and others around the world started to throw off colonial powers and racial inferiority, which, yes, often was tied up in socialist politics (capitalism was hardly a likely means of throwing off colonial power). The idea that blacks are their own political group, with their own political history and social experience, is cause for fear among many Americans. They prefer to see being "American" like a religious identity, something that is ideological and universal. But, of course, their standard for being "American" is based on white middle class experiences. Americans fear radical politics, and these politics are personified in the black man, the Other. Right now, it's personified in one particular black man: Barack Obama. His reputation as a radical is out of size with his bland, conventional American patriotism, but for many Americans he is the bogeyman, and that is largely because as a black man he represents a political history that has travelled a different road than white political history in America. I fear I may have gone off topic. Apologies. [/quote]Era, I agree that Race is a political factor because it identifies a rough Cultural identifier, a superficial sociological tool of how we attempt to understand people we may not know well or talk about general groups. I think when understanding of people is only talked about in these broad, general terms, with little understanding, is where sterotypes empower ignorance, misunderstanding, distrust, dislike, and then hate. From your summary, you seem to be committing the same 'error'. Generalizing and gouping people, making assumptive conclusions of mind-set and motivation for groups of people, then criticizing and demoninzing them. The context and content of our different cultural experiences may flavor the stew of who we are, but it doesn't change us to something completely different, such as a stew vs a icecream sundae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 [quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1350283570' post='2493585'] So you think Florida is a less developed country? I know they aint Texas, but they aint Arkansas neither. You went to publik skools huh? [/quote] I have actually been home schooled my entire life. Not one day of public schooling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1350317582' post='2493648'] I have actually been home schooled my entire life. Not one day of public schooling. [/quote]You just eliminated blaming public schooling for an inadequate education for the ignorance your previous statement conveyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1350318109' post='2493655'] You just eliminated blaming public schooling for an inadequate education for the ignorance your previous statement conveyed. [/quote] I have no clue what racism has to do with public vs. home schooling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1350278821' post='2493577'] I have an uncle who knows Italians as "Whops" (Whatever a "whop" is) [/quote] [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/user/4753-mikolbe/"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/user/4753-mikolbe/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1350318415' post='2493658'] I have no clue what racism has to do with public vs. home schooling. [/quote] :facepalm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1350319054' post='2493663'] :facepalm: [/quote] I believe you mean Pfft... Public schooled people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1350324843' post='2493685'] I believe you mean Pfft... Public schooled people... [/quote] I don't think that's what he means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 [quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1350245819' post='2493353'] race will cease to be an issue when the liberal pantywastes stop making it an issue. [/quote] It will be an issue in every situation in which those involved make it an issue. Thanks to the intrusion of third parties, it is an issue in more areas than it likely would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 [quote name='Era Might' timestamp='1350250492' post='2493376'] Maybe you are but I'm not. I don't buy into the idea that race / ethnicity / culture is politically irrelevant. Many white conservatives insist they're not racist, they're just opposed to President Obama's politics. And that may be true, they don't hate people merely based on skin color. But race is a political construction. To be "black" or "white" or "brown" is not merely a matter of pigment, but has a political history, and that political narrative is part of the dominant experience for those groups of people. It is in that sense that there is a racial dimension to the political hatred for President Obama. His skin and his politics are tied to a racial political history, and it is that political history that many blacks are attaching themselves to when they support Obama. It's no coincidence that President Obama is vilified as a dangerous socialist...that is part of the conservative political history in the 20th century, the fear they had when blacks and others around the world started to throw off colonial powers and racial inferiority, which, yes, often was tied up in socialist politics (capitalism was hardly a likely means of throwing off colonial power). The idea that blacks are their own political group, with their own political history and social experience, is cause for fear among many Americans. They prefer to see being "American" like a religious identity, something that is ideological and universal. But, of course, their standard for being "American" is based on white middle class experiences. Americans fear radical politics, and these politics are personified in the black man, the Other. Right now, it's personified in one particular black man: Barack Obama. His reputation as a radical is out of size with his bland, conventional American patriotism, but for many Americans he is the bogeyman, and that is largely because as a black man he represents a political history that has travelled a different road than white political history in America. I fear I may have gone off topic. Apologies. [/quote] Oh, I get it. The only real problem us Evil Conservatives could possibly have with Barrack Obama is that he's black (or half-black, or whatever), and we're all foaming-at-the-mouth racists. The notion that he's a leftist couldn't possibly have anything to do with the far-left ideas expressed in his own book, nor could it have anything to do with his long-term association with leftist radicals such as (the white) Bill Mayers and Rev. Jeremiah Right. Much less would we have a problem with his actual policies of socialized medicine and the individual mandate, nor with his HHS mandate forcing Catholic schools and businesses to pay insurance for contraceptives and abortifacients. Now with his strong support for abortion on demand, and increased spending of tax dollars on the killing of babies. Nor should we be concerned with his reckless spending or unheard of $17 trillion in national debt. Nah, it's all about the color of his skin, cause we white conservatives are all about racism. Which explains why Herman Cain was a favorite with the Tea Party back when he was in the race. Or why I was a supporter of Alan Keyes (back before he got into that "slavery reparation" nonsense). Or why Thomas Sowell is one of my favorite political commentators. Oh wait, that's because those guys are a bunch of Uncle Toms, because we all know that [i]real[/i] blacks are all leftists. Opposing a leftist black man is always a sure sign of racism, while opposing a black conservative is just keeping it real. But what the hell . . . just keep playing the race card. Dishonest, despicable, and intellectually lazy - but hey, it's better than actually having to debate those tedious ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1350251875' post='2493384'] I thought I smelt some Spirit in there. [/quote] I smelt something rather smellier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1350429327' post='2494081'] Oh, I get it. The only real problem us Evil Conservatives could possibly have with Barrack Obama is that he's black (or half-black, or whatever), and we're all foaming-at-the-mouth racists. The notion that he's a leftist couldn't possibly have anything to do with the far-left ideas expressed in his own book, nor could it have anything to do with his long-term association with leftist radicals such as (the white) Bill Mayers and Rev. Jeremiah Right. Much less would we have a problem with his actual policies of socialized medicine and the individual mandate, nor with his HHS mandate forcing Catholic schools and businesses to pay insurance for contraceptives and abortifacients. Now with his strong support for abortion on demand, and increased spending of tax dollars on the killing of babies. Nor should we be concerned with his reckless spending or unheard of $17 trillion in national debt. Nah, it's all about the color of his skin, cause we white conservatives are all about racism. Which explains why Herman Cain was a favorite with the Tea Party back when he was in the race. Or why I was a supporter of Alan Keyes (back before he got into that "slavery reparation" nonsense). Or why Thomas Sowell is one of my favorite political commentators. Oh wait, that's because those guys are a bunch of Uncle Toms, because we all know that [i]real[/i] blacks are all leftists. Opposing a leftist black man is always a sure sign of racism, while opposing a black conservative is just keeping it real. But what the hell . . . just keep playing the race card. Dishonest, despicable, and intellectually lazy - but hey, it's better than actually having to debate those tedious ideas. [/quote] It must be close to Halloween. That's white a few straw men you've built up. Edited October 17, 2012 by Era Might Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Era Might' timestamp='1350437361' post='2494134'] It must be close to Halloween. That's white a few straw men you've built up. [/quote] LOL. That should be "quite" not "white." Just saw that. Edited October 17, 2012 by Era Might Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 [quote name='Era Might' timestamp='1350517973' post='2494243'] LOL. That should be "quite" not "white." Just saw that. [/quote] Racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1350429327' post='2494081'] Oh, I get it. The only real problem us Evil Conservatives could possibly have with Barrack Obama is that he's black (or half-black, or whatever), and we're all foaming-at-the-mouth racists.[/QUOTE] Plenty of republicans are. I don't know where in the south you have lived but if you deny this then you're either lying or haven't spent too much time with your base. I've seen it plenty in my everyday life since I was a kid and I see it now when I get yelled at for working for a 'spook.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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