LinaSt.Cecilia2772 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Back on the drinking topic, my parents sometimes let me drink when they give it to me, but they didn't start that until I was at least 15 or 16. When I was in Italy, the drinking age was 16, and I was 17 when I went. So yeah I was able to drink when I went there, and I had a fantastic time. Not just because the Italian wines were amazing, It was the land of the Catholics and I saw a church on every corner, I had some fantastic food, saw some beautiful art and architecture, and how beautiful Italy really is. London was the same way (except the Catholic part, I saw a few catholic churches but what I saw was mostly Anglican), but the drinking age there was 18. At the time I was there I was 16 so I didn't drink. All you got to do is follow the law wherever you're at, and it'll all be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJon16 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I am Italian. Wine has always been on the table at dinner time since I was very young. It is strange for us to not have a glass with dinner. Summers spent in Italy have been even more 'Confessional' worthy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinaSt.Cecilia2772 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 [quote name='BigJon16' timestamp='1350009339' post='2492571'] I am Italian. Wine has always been on the table at dinner time since I was very young. It is strange for us to not have a glass with dinner. Summers spent in Italy have been even more 'Confessional' worthy... [/quote] Yeah I went to confession after my trip....not gunna lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1350001107' post='2492531'] Didn't the hypocrites pray in public? [/quote] your face did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmaberry101 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) [color=#222222][font=Helvetica Neue', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][size=4][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]Biden and Ryan are speaking about how their 'Catholic' faith informed their opposite positions on abortion. Biden: "My faith defines who I am. I have been a practicing Catholic all my life." Really, Biden? What parish do you go to? Same for Ryan when he says he supports abortion in the cases of rape, incest, and (edit-thank you Nihil) [/background][/size][/font][/color][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)][s]murder[/s] [/background][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]life of the mother.[/background] Edited October 12, 2012 by emmaberry101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 [quote name='emmaberry101' timestamp='1350012453' post='2492589'] [color=#222222][font=Helvetica Neue', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][size=4][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]Really, Biden? What parish do you go to? Same for Ryan when he says he supports abortion in the cases of rape, incest, [b]and murder[/b].[/background][/size][/font][/color] [/quote] Wait, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 [quote name='emmaberry101' timestamp='1350012453' post='2492589'] Same for Ryan when he says he supports abortion in the cases of rape, incest, and murder. [/quote] Ryan doesn't support abortion in cases of rape and incest, and he never said he did. In fact, he started to defend his personal position for a second there, but then went back to the script of "The Romney-Ryan platform makes an exception for rape and incest". I know, it's a crappy political move, but he's always been clear that he is personally pro-life without any exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToJesusMyHeart Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Just to clarify: Ryan didn't say that [b]he[/b] supports abortion in those cases. He said [b]Romney/Ryan administration[/b] would make policies allowing abortion in those cases. Now, yes, abortion is a grave evil in [b]all[/b] situations, even those stated. But Paul Ryan himself does absolutely NOT support abortion. But since he is running with Romney, and Romney is not as pro-life as we wish, their administration would allow the mother to kill her baby if it was conceived in a bad situation. No abortion is good, but let's face it--Obama will allow millions more babies to be aborted than Romney/Ryan will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 12, 2012 Author Share Posted October 12, 2012 [quote name='ToJesusMyHeart' timestamp='1350015069' post='2492606'] Just to clarify: Ryan didn't say that [b]he[/b] supports abortion in those cases. He said [b]Romney/Ryan administration[/b] would make policies allowing abortion in those cases. Now, yes, abortion is a grave evil in [b]all[/b] situations, even those stated. But Paul Ryan himself does absolutely NOT support abortion. But since he is running with Romney, and Romney is not as pro-life as we wish, their administration would allow the mother to kill her baby if it was conceived in a bad situation. No abortion is good, but let's face it--Obama will allow millions more babies to be aborted than Romney/Ryan will. [/quote] Ugh, I ran out of props. I must say my face did a terrible cringe when he said those things. I think it is sad that he sold out simply because those are Romney's beliefs. Presidents and vice-presidents are allowed to disagree. I can buy it if he said "Under our platform, this is how it will go, but I wish it would go this way." but he didn't say that and I didn't get the impression that this is what he personally wanted. He said life begins at conception and that abortion is wrong, but then he said it would be okay in cases of rape and incest, and I couldn't help but look at this gigantically big contradiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmaberry101 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1350014884' post='2492604'] Ryan doesn't support abortion in cases of rape and incest, and he never said he did. In fact, he started to defend his personal position for a second there, but then went back to the script of "The Romney-Ryan platform makes an exception for rape and incest". I know, it's a crappy political move, but he's always been clear that he personally is pro-life without any exceptions. [/quote] [quote name='ToJesusMyHeart' timestamp='1350015069' post='2492606'] Just to clarify: Ryan didn't say that [b]he[/b] supports abortion in those cases. He said [b]Romney/Ryan administration[/b] would make policies allowing abortion in those cases. Now, yes, abortion is a grave evil in [b]all[/b] situations, even those stated. But Paul Ryan himself does absolutely NOT support abortion. But since he is running with Romney, and Romney is not as pro-life as we wish, their administration would allow the mother to kill her baby if it was conceived in a bad situation. No abortion is good, but let's face it--Obama will allow millions more babies to be aborted than Romney/Ryan will. [/quote] Agreed. Although I do not care too much what Ryan believes personally (except for the respect I have for him) but what his platform is running for. Even with the exceptions that Romney allows for rape, incest, and murder, nobody can say that the number of unborn babies murdered would be a number even remotely comparable to the number 'terminated' under Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 12, 2012 Author Share Posted October 12, 2012 [quote name='BigJon16' timestamp='1350009339' post='2492571'] I am Italian. Wine has always been on the table at dinner time since I was very young. It is strange for us to not have a glass with dinner. Summers spent in Italy have been even more 'Confessional' worthy... [/quote] I've never had alcohol in those amounts before (Not saying they are big). I think if you put all of the alcohol I have ever drank in my life it would amount to three to maybe five cups at the very most, and in a sixteen year life the percentage of that is so insignificant that I can't believe people always make a big deal out of it when I say I have had alcohol before. I can't help but laugh like Joe Biden at the debate tonight whenever people act as if you magically become mature at twenty-one and thus you are allowed to drink. Why is it that when I am eighteen (And in fact seven with parental consent) I can join the military, but I can't have a glass of wine? It's so illogical to say that at eighteen you are mature enough to sign your life away to the government and risk your life in the military but not mature enough to drink. I need to do my Rosary before I turn into an anarchist and write angry letters to the government like Winchester... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 12, 2012 Author Share Posted October 12, 2012 [quote name='emmaberry101' timestamp='1350015473' post='2492611'] Agreed. Although I do not care too much what Ryan believes personally (except for the respect I have for him) but what his platform is running for. Even with the exceptions that Romney allows for rape, incest, and murder, nobody can say that the number of unborn babies murdered would be a number even remotely comparable to the number 'terminated' under Obama. [/quote] Of course. I understand it completely. I just can't stand the thought of one baby being killed while an informed and devout Catholic is vice-president. Let's also remember that as vice-president, Paul Ryan has absolutely no power or say over it or any issue, for that matter, so it is not as bad as him running for president and saying it is okay in cases of rape and incest. I just hope that he tries to stress this issue with Romney if/when they are elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 [quote name='emmaberry101' timestamp='1350015473' post='2492611'] Agreed. Although I do not care too much what Ryan believes personally (except for the respect I have for him) but what his platform is running for. Even with the exceptions that Romney allows for rape, incest, [b]and murder[/b], nobody can say that the number of unborn babies murdered would be a number even remotely comparable to the number 'terminated' under Obama. [/quote] Wait, you did it again. What does this even mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1350015872' post='2492613'] I need to do my Rosary before I turn into an anarchist and write angry letters to the government [b]like Winchester[/b]... [/quote] Oh... I will just hang out over here, I guess. Do not mind me, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 [quote name='ToJesusMyHeart' timestamp='1350015069' post='2492606'] ...but let's face it--Obama will allow millions more babies to be aborted than Romney/Ryan will. [/quote] So, Romney and Ryan get a pass for their moderately pro-life/pro-choice stance because they pay lip-service to wanting to minimize the amount of abortions that happen, while stopping short of outright banning the practice? Isn't this sort of the same lip-service that Obama and other Dems give? In fact, aren't the same words and sentiments about "limiting the need for abortions" paid by every.single.politician.ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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